Attn: atomizer rebuilders

[Tom09]

Hi kinabaloo, could well be that an innovative high-tech solution (electrical injection) would turn out to be a great improvement. Certainly always worth and interesting to explore such new possibilities. The low-tech solution (simple fiber bundle), however, is effective enough to allow for the present commercial products. Provides just a viable path for rebuilding.

500KV, I don’t know, but lifetime of the coil in the disposable-type atomizers may not be much worse than lifetime of a conventional atomizer. I’ve never had my hands on a disposable and don’t remember having read that someone has compared the respective total lifetimes. Nevertheless, users do report many repeated refills of the disposable type without problems. Amazing to me, again, is the overly simple design of the disposables, allowing for RYO from the scratch with just a few readily available materials.

On another note: may be that the average atomizer lifetime could be improved if someone finds a way to eliminate the weakening solder joints which connect heating coil and lead wires. Any suggestions / opinions on the viability of screw joints?

[kinabaloo]

Hi kinabaloo, could well be that an innovative high-tech solution (electrical injection) would turn out to be a great improvement. Certainly always worth and interesting to explore such new possibilities. The low-tech solution (simple fiber bundle), however, is effective enough to allow for the present commercial products. Provides just a viable path for rebuilding.

500KV, I don’t know, but lifetime of the coil in the disposable-type atomizers may not be much worse than lifetime of a conventional atomizer. I’ve never had my hands on a disposable and don’t remember having read that someone has compared the respective total lifetimes. Nevertheless, users do report many repeated refills of the disposable type without problems. Amazing to me, again, is the overly simple design of the disposables, allowing for RYO from the scratch with just a few readily available materials.

On another note: may be that the average atomizer lifetime could be improved if someone finds a way to eliminate the weakening solder joints which connect heating coil and lead wires. Any suggestions / opinions on the viability of screw joints?

The weakening solder joints dont seem to come into play circa 2 months life, but would at some point. Unless the leeched tin is causing overgeating by gradually shorting the main part of the coil (as I mused in another thread).

It is one thing to look at enlarged photos and know what to do - quite another to construct something that is 4mm x 1mm !

Though it has been done by one or two here (not me).

[DarkriftX]

What about using pressure of bent wires to hold the leads in holes. the 2 ends of the wire are pushing away from each other because of how they are bent, and the holes are close enough to each other to strain that causing a fairly tight fit. This could lead to replaceable wires pieces that could be changed out causing the overall price to go down.

I know its hard to explain but I am sure someone here will get what I am saying.

Actually, now that I think about it, it would be kinda like the little metal wires that go in xmas balls that hold them on a tree. the shape they are in causes them to want to expand, but the size of the whole causes them to instead put pressure on the endges causing a fairly nice lock.

[kinabaloo]

What about using pressure of bent wires to hold the leads in holes. the 2 ends of the wire are pushing away from each other because of how they are bent, and the holes are close enough to each other to strain that causing a fairly tight fit. This could lead to replaceable wires pieces that could be changed out causing the overall price to go down.

I know its hard to explain but I am sure someone here will get what I am saying.

Actually, now that I think about it, it would be kinda like the little metal wires that go in xmas balls that hold them on a tree. the shape they are in causes them to want to expand, but the size of the whole causes them to instead put pressure on the endges causing a fairly nice lock.

A neat idea, really

But I doubt replaceable coils will ever come about as one would need to get inside the atty first.

ps: just realised that i don't know what you mean; I was thinking of xmas fairy lightbulbs that have bare wire ends bent back around a poyethylene plug. I guess something similar

[crazyhorse]

I know what you're saying.

If it weren't for that silly bridge over the coil in the way, the holes in the juice cup could be made conductive like a socket and a newly wrapped coil could be plugged in like a tiny electrical plug.

What about that Kinabaloo? I just got finished downloading your video which indicates we really don't need that silly bridge in the way anyway.

[kinabaloo]

I know what you're saying.

If it weren't for that silly bridge over the coil in the way, the holes in the juice cup could be made conductive like a socket and a newly wrapped coil could be plugged in like a tiny electrical plug.

What about that Kinabaloo? I just got finished downloading your video which indicates we really don't need that silly bridge in the way anyway.

Need the bridge i=to connect with traditional carts. But is redesign the whole shebang ....

even without a brisge in the way would be tricky to fit a new coil, unless the innards could be easily slid out or something. Worth thinking about. Or the connector unscrewed and touched internal contacts (so dont get twisted wires)

[crazyhorse]

With a 801, it takes about two seconds to pop the guts out all in one piece and two seconds to shove it all back in. If the bridge could be modified to be removable, the coil would be wide open and dirt simple to work on.

[DarkriftX]

I realized my description might be hard to understand and this image will probably be just as hard, but bear with me.

The left side would be the "wire" before it is squeezed together to fit in the holes, the right side would be it squeezed and tightly fitted into the 2 holes, with have wires attached through the bottom of the "cups" somehow. Keep in mind, I have no art background and did this in a paint program....

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[crazyhorse]

Need the bridge i=to connect with traditional carts. But is redesign the whole shebang ....

Relative to the 801 which is the only hardware I know, here's a thought to plug into your well-tuned e-cig analysis apparatus for consideration.

If the bridge was removed and replaced with a large bore, heat resistant, insulating grommet of thin section, we could insert a wafer or a wad of metal foam into the end of the cartridge. The cartridge wall and the grommet would insulate the metal foam from the cig body and slightly isolate it from direct contact with the coil. The metal foam would keep the cartridge filler away from the coil while putting the juice supply in immediate proximity to the coil itself. Getting rid of the bridge would open up easy access for a plug-and-play coil replacement.

It would also get rid of that pesky problem of the peaked bridge pushing the filler up into the cartridge and negate ongoing paper clip therapy needed to fluff the stuffing back down to the level of the bottom of the cartridge. A vented cartridge would be quickly and easily refilled by syringe.

[Sun Vaporer]

With a 801, it takes about two seconds to pop the guts out all in one piece and two seconds to shove it all back in. If the bridge could be modified to be removable, the coil would be wide open and dirt simple to work on.

Crazyhorse---you can get the bridge out with a pair of long thin tweezers without even taking the atomizer apart--it prys right up and out on the 801. --------Sun