Replacement for nichrome coil...

[Ashhead]

sorry, thought i was in another forum...

[PhiHalcyon]

I removed the bridge on my 510 to enable a more direct, warmer vapor; and when I pulled it out, the so-called wick came out with it. So all that remains is the pot, the coil in the pot, and the steel mesh that surrounds the sides and bottom of the pot. I made a mouthpiece (which is really nothing more than an endcap) using a knurled nut with an o-ring installed on it; and even though I must add 2 drops of juice about every 5-8 puffs, this set-up has been working just fine for about a month now.

Anyway, in this set-up, the juice gets to the coil through the holes on the sides and bottom of the pot. And that's it. For there is no wick.

Consequently, maybe a tall pot (that has 4 to 6 holes located high enough to be centered with the heated section of the rod) would be a good idea; with steel mesh surrounding this pot in the same way as on the 510. The increased amount of steel mesh would enable perhaps several drops of juice to be added at a time, and the whole bridge and cart could be eliminated.

Just a thought to consider.

[Quit4myKids]

Welcome to the project, PhiHalcyon! Your configuration is great if you are only going to drip, but I think our goal is an improved replacement for the existing 801 atomizer that will work for both dripping and carts.

Q4mK

[PhiHalcyon]

Thanks. One of the nice things about this project is that once you get the first trial rods in, everyone can play around with different ways of getting juice to it. I've personally never cared for the carts, but love how the steel mesh is so maintenance free (save for some reverse air pressure every now and then). And, depending on exactly how much more steel mesh could be used in the set-up I described, you may actually be able to get the same or more juice in store as you could with a cart.

[kinabaloo]

Thanks. One of the nice things about this project is that once you get the first trial rods in, everyone can play around with different ways of getting juice to it. I've personally never cared for the carts, but love how the steel mesh is so maintenance free (save for some reverse air pressure every now and then). And, depending on exactly how much more steel mesh could be used in the set-up I described, you may actually be able to get the same or more juice in store as you could with a cart.

Have been thinking much the same thing :

Atomisers designed specifically for dripping

I hope we see attys specifically designed for dripping using the space to have more mesh to hold more liquid.

[PhiHalcyon]

Have been thinking much the same thing

Well, I don't think I could ask for better company; and I totally agree with you when you said, "Perhaps half or more of seasoned vapers drip, and it is silly for those people to be using atomisers that are designed for cartridges, when if designed for dripping could be so much better."

The cartomizer was a step in that direction, but I found the extreme difficulty of replacing the filler material to be too much of a waste of perfectly good atomizer coils.

[Quit4myKids]

I agree with that assessment, but out of the entire consumer population of e-cigarettes, what percentage are the "half of (the) seasoned vapers"? Listen, I drip myself most of the time, and only use carts when I have to, but that's because carts aren't a good way of feeding juice to the atomizer. I've seen Kinabaloo post several times about a piezo sprayer for juice, and I think that idea is the best that I've heard. I also know that neither I nor most of the folks on this forum have the skill alone to do much beyond understand the concept of what Kin is talking about. Until this or something like it is developed, a vast majority of e-cig users are going to be using carts. I think it's important that an atomizer works well with both carts and dripping.

I would like two things to result from this thread. The first is a better atomizer design to replace the junk that we must work with now. Something that matches the quality and reliability of some of the nicer mods that have gone commercial. I want to see this end up in the hands of someone who is going to make it available to the public. Not as a kit, mind you, but as a more expensive atomizer that does what the shoddy ones do, but doesn't break, get clogged up, and most importantly doesn't have to be replaced every month or two.I don't know about anyone else, but I've spent over $100 just this year for atomizers, and the year isn't over yet! I would gladly fork over $50-100 USD for an atomizer that does what the current one does, but doesn't break or slow down, is easily maintainable, and comes with a good warranty (i.e. advance exchange, free shipping, etc...).

The second thing is to develop this product as a device created by the collective minds at ECF. Manufactured by whomever, sold by whomever, but created here at ECF. I believe the modders forums here are full of untapped resources. If we can continue to collaborate productively, I know that great things can come out of it. Kinabaloo's piezo sprayer needs to be looked at. Once we have a viable design and somebody picks it up and starts selling it, that is my next task. What most closely resembled our e-cigs in function? Theatrical fog machines. Anyone every looked to see how those work? I have. A big heater gets up to temp, then glycerine solution is -sprayed- onto the surface, creating huge clouds of vapor. The coil method doesn't exactly work like that, but this heater could. I have great ideas, as most of the folks here do. We just need to put our heads together, and most importantly, follow things through to conclusion!

I'll get off my soapbox now.

I also wanted to say that I'm very proud to be a part of this effort, and am grateful for the support of all the ECF members.

Q4mK

[logandbz]

Well, I tried to link a picture, but I can't yet it seems... Could have shortened the URL, but I don't wanna break any rules.

I am working some preliminary designs in AutoCAD, and made a nice template that shows exactly how the Titan looks internally. Thought it would be helpful, but I guess I'll wait till I hit the 15 post mark.

I know we are focusing on the 801 but I only have the Titan (510).

[PhiHalcyon]

Q4mK,

Just to be clear, I did not suggest any changes to the primary shared resource of the custom ceramic heater rod. I did suggest that a steel-mesh-wrapped tall pot with appropriately-located holes be used to place it in. For, juice wicked through the mesh and out the pot holes is how juice is 'sprayed' at the heated coil. So, unless this already-known-to-work means is substituted with an alternative, a steel-mesh-wrapped tall pot will be needed whether a cart and bridge will be used or not.

[Jason365]

http://www.***********.com/showthread.php?t=4847&page=2

Check that out. Someone on this other forum mad a nichrome coil and coated it in Pyrex. I wonder how well it works. I really need an immortal atomizer or two.

What the.... I guess i cant link to the vapers forum. Oh well. So much for sharing Ideas.