Anyone not charged the first time for 12hrs?

[turbojunk]

I think this whole longer initial charge thing is a myth.

The first 6 901 batteries I bought were charged for no more than three hours. One of those is now 3 months old, is in daily use and is still going strong (another 3 month old one has died, tho).

THe last two I bought were put through the 12 hour charge routine. No difference in performance at all, though they might yet prove to have a longer lifespan.

Kev

[Papa Lazarou]

I think this whole longer initial charge thing is a myth.

I strongly believe that is the case. I've never done it. It sounds like a hangup from the old days with ni-cad batteries with their memory effect and so on.

[nqhqhz]

My understanding of LiIon batteries is limited, but they shouldn't really be too susceptible to this. Some have circuitry which monitors battery level independently of manufacturer specifications on what the voltage should be at different charge states, which calibrate themselves based on when they are completely emptied and completely full, thus not charging them the full time and not allowing them to fully discharge can initially decalibrate the level indications (but not harm the battery itself)

With most devices (though possibly not these ones) batteries are routinely fully charged and discharged in testing in the factory anyway.

[SannerSays]

I am currently cycling through 3 batteries. Two of them I initially charged for 12 hours, and one of them was only charged for 3 hours before I used it. I can not tell ANY difference between the three batteries and if you were to ask me which one had 12 hour initial charge neglect, I wouldn't be able to tell you. Now take in account that I have been using them for only about 1.5 weeks.....so who knows if there will be any long term affect. As far as I see it now though....the 12 hour charge is a myth.

[NathanS]

I'm not sure about the whole 12 hour thing but it cant hurt so i advise all my customers to do it. The worst thing you can do to a li-po battery is drain all the juice out. That is why the have a voltage cut off(when it blinks 30 times).

[Myk]

I'm not sure about the whole 12 hour thing but it cant hurt so i advise all my customers to do it. The worst thing you can do to a li-po battery is drain all the juice out. That is why the have a voltage cut off(when it blinks 30 times).

That's the thing, if it's doing anything it can hurt by causing plating in the battery.
Best case scenario is that the cheap little chargers actually do shut down and it does nothing, worst case is they continue to trickle and damages the battery.

[katink]

I use usb almost exclusively now. But until short ago, I was on batteries like everyone else. My batteries last anywhere between 3 and 6 months, some more, and a few duds inbetween too of course ('last' meaning: minimum of 1 hour power in them just before I throw them out; more, like 2 or 3 hours, in an earlier stage of course) (and I vape almost constantly so not a light user). I had 8 chargers in use at almost all times.

The way I charge the battery's? I only take them OFF the charger when I am going to use them; otherwise they simply stay on. With the charger on the power, just to be clear. Can be a whole night, a few days, or on occasion even a few weeks that they remain like that... and never seen this handling hurt them.
Do see that taking off a battery as soon as it turns green, versus leaving it on for at least a few hours after charger turns green, gives me a battery with a low load of power versus a battery with a considerbly larger load of power.

So whatever the books say... well... I've read the different theories and explanations too; but frankly I'm more interested in the practical results, and these are just mine... and I doubt I have 'special battery's' (or special chargers for that matter) - just like most anyone here would have I think (Oh one thing I always tried NOT to do: empty them completely - that does render them useless quickly I have found)

So well... don't know what anyone makes or wants to make out of this way of handling... but it worked well for me, so bar the usb coming along I wouldn't have changed that handling any, except the occasional testing/experimenting with a single one perhaps.

[tribalmasters]

Never charged for 8+hours first charge and never will muahahahaha!!!!

[Keef]

Green = Go .

When the light in the charger turns green it is finished charging so I dont see any point leaving it there for 8 - 12 hrs on the first or any other charges.

The Chinese instructions I think are confusing the Lithium ion batteries with the Nickel ones.
The guy that wrote the booklet probably knew diddly about batteries.
He saw it written somewhere and copied it.

Same as the auto clean, they just copied it without question and decided it would be easier to programme it to trigger on every x amount of puffs.

[MitchV4]

I've never charged more than 6 hours, initially. I typically charge 4 hours on the batteries in my rotation - no problems with any of them so far and performance is good.

The risk you run when you leave 'em on the charger for extended periods is that if you have a faulty charger or defective battery control circuit an overcharge rate can cause Li-ion batteries to catch fire. You may remember the stories in the news about faulty laptop batteries exploding/burning due to defective charging circuitry. Best to err on the side of caution, I think. I know I never leave batteries charging when I'm out of the house or sleeping. Just my 2c.