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(7) Information Resources for Your First RBA

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by , 06-19-2013 at 01:38 AM (32198 Views)
Quote Originally Posted by Metalhed2434
I really would like to try a RBA tank, but I don't know which one to start with (trying to keep it under $30 for the first run) I understand the basic premise of how they work, but I need like a beginner's guide or something....It seems like a pretty daunting endeavor, and even browsing through the forums I cannot find just like a basic beginners guide to how all the components work, and where to start with them.
I'm not aware of any Beginner's Guide to RBA's. They are considered to be for more advanced vapors. I usually qualify that statement more specifically meaning RBA's should be reserved to those who:





  • Have learned about battery types for RBA's, and know about battery safety in general. RBAs are more demanding on batteries, especially if sub ohm coils are used, and can easily push a battery beyond it's safe limit. Therefore it is extremely important to use a high quality ​high drain IMR battery that has adequate high amperage capacity for you particular needs. Battery Basics for Mods: IMR or Protected?


  • Have learned about mod safety features, and in particular for their specific mod. Vent holes and hot springs in mechanical mods only kick in once a battery has become hot & hard-shorted, but they may keep your mod from becoming a pipe bomb. Regulated mods have superior safety features built-in which will shut them down prior to a catastophic battery event should there be issues with the atomizer or battery, but can not do sub-ohm. Mechanical Mod Safe Useage Guide


  • Have a multimeter and know how to use it. Coils must be checked for resistance before they are fired on a device, and re-checked periodically to ensure the resistance remains the same. This is even more important when using sub-ohm coils. MultiMeter Tutorial


  • Have a working knowledge of ohm resistance and how it relates to voltage and battery amperage requirements. This is Ohm's Law. Ohm's Law for Dummies


  • Don't mind tinkering with extremely tiny parts and have a high frustration tolerance.


  • Have a dependable and reliable juice delivery device to fall back on when your RBA gets fussy.



Types of RBA's:
  • RDA (rebuildable drip atomizer) - e-Liquid is dripped on cotton or silica wick; only a few drops of liquid is used for a few puffs, then more drops applied. Easiest first exposure to rebuildables.

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  • Genesis-style tank atomizer - e-liquid tank below the rebuilding deck; uses stainless steel mesh wick; position dependent, will leak if not held upright; requires using the "genny tilt" for adequate wicking as you are fighting gravity with this tank.

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  • Kayfun-style tank atomizer - e-liquid tank above the rebuilding deck; uses cotton or silica wick; not position dependent, uses negative pressure vacuum like a cartotank; much easier & better design than a Genesis-style RTA in my opinion.

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There is a sub-forum here on ECF dedicated to RBA's with tons of information. Rebuildable Atomizer Systems


INFORMATION RESOURCES FOR NEW RBA USERS:

Useful supplies: ohm reader or digital multimeter; micro butane torch; metal tweezers; precision screwdriver set; Kanthal wire and wicking material.

multimeters

How to Use Your Multimeter


Video on How to Use Your Multimeter


Ohm's Law Calculator


Steam Engine Calculators for amp limit, coil wrapping, & battery drain

battery & mod safety resource guides

​Explanation of a hard short


Battery Basics for Mods: IMR or Protected
? - List of battery specs and amp ratings

Sub-Ohm Battery Chart

PBusardo's Guide to Batteries for RBA's

ECF's Rechargeable Batteries Recommendations for APV's


Mechanical Mod & Battery Safety Guide - YouTube Video

VapeSafe Mod Fuse and VapeSafe.com

recommended articles & tutorial videos

An Introduction to Rebuildables - YouTube

Basic MicroCoil Tutorial

Rebuildable Drip Atomizer specific guides:
IGO-W dual coil build with cotton wick
Tutorial for silica wicked IGO-L RBA: Taking the Scary Out of Rebuildable Atomizers - Spinfuel Magazine.

(Kayfun-style) RBA specific guides:
What Makes the Kayfun so Great?

Kayfun Lite Plus microcoil and cotton build YouTube tutorial

(Genesis-style) RBA specific guides
Carl Zen shows how to setup a Genesis-style RBA - great video tutorial
E-Human's blog on the AGA-T2
A PBusardo Review - The AGA-T(s) - Part 1 - The Review - YouTube
A PBusardo Review - The AGA-T(s) - Part 2 - Assembly & Building Tutorial - YouTube

Link to Micro Coils for RBA's

Sub-Ohm Vaping: Discussion, Safety, Battery Info, Warnings
Video Tutorial on Safer Sub-Ohm Vaping
Tutorial: Wire and Resistance for Rebuildables: Tutorial - Wire & Resistance for Rebuildables - YouTube

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Updated 08-06-2014 at 04:58 PM by Baditude

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  1. elscorcho's Avatar
    Great info, baditude! Thanks for putting it all in one place
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  2. popcornplaya's Avatar
    That post took a minute to make. Cheers. I will be using this tomorrow morning during coffee and tinkering time.
  3. Baditude's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by popcornplaya
    That post took a minute to make...
    It did take some hours of research and then additional time to write it up concisely, and still include a ton of info. I also continually update as I find additional information.
    gerrymi and glowplug like this.
    Updated 09-25-2013 at 03:12 AM by Baditude
  4. glowplug's Avatar
    Thanks for the amount of time you spend helping us folks who have no clue (as well as some seasoned veterans perhaps). Please know that it is folks like you that are willing to offer training that are helping lots of other folks have fun, learn and vape on! I appreciate you and your volunteering your time and expertise.

    I am not ready for an RBA (if I am understanding the term correctly) as evidenced by my dismal failure getting the RB1 from Totally Wicked to vape even a little bit. I am going to view the video, read all the links and try again. It is a nice project for some quiet afternoon as long as I have my trusty evod next to me to keep me from tearing my hair out!
    Updated 09-25-2013 at 03:09 AM by Baditude
  5. Baditude's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by glowplug
    Please know that it is folks like you that are willing to offer training that are helping lots of other folks have fun, learn and vape on! I appreciate you and your volunteering your time and expertise.
    Thanks.
    glowplug likes this.
    Updated 09-25-2013 at 03:11 AM by Baditude
  6. Steam Turbine's Avatar
    Awesome work Baditude

    Learned about this blog yesterday and already directed alot of new members to it...

    Extremely useful no bs information.

    I raise my hat to you! Thanks a whole lot.
    Baditude and Shaussler13 like this.
  7. Amish Ed's Avatar
    Thanks Baditude. This really helped me out. I've got my iGo-L on the way because of it. I kept wavering, because I didn't think I had enough knowledge. But reading this and knowing I want nothing to do with sub-ohm coils pushed me over the edge. Can't wait to see if RDAs are for me. If so, then I have my eye on a Nimbus and some type of mech.
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  8. eHuman's Avatar
    Good stuff Baditude!
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  9. levisdaddy's Avatar
    This is great, as i am finally delving into this world or rebuildables and will GREATLY benefit from having all this info in one easy to find place! Thank you for taking the time and for your many contributions! Cheers!
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  10. thewomenfolk's Avatar
    OP mentions RBA lots of time but no definition. Wish it was in first para. What is RBA?
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  11. Baditude's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by thewomenfolk
    OP mentions RBA lots of time but no definition. Wish it was in first para. What is RBA?
    A rebuildable atomizer can be a tank or dripper in which the user uses either silica string or stainless steel mesh that they rolled into a wick, and then wrap their own heating coil from wire. These require do-it-yourself skills, an ability to work with tiny parts, and to know how to use a multimeter to measure the coil resistance.

    gerrymi likes this.
    Updated 09-06-2013 at 03:50 PM by Baditude
  12. NancyR's Avatar
    very good write up Baditude, thank you
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  13. NAsuzyQ's Avatar
    Another thank you for gathering all this info. It's hard to even know what questions to ask as a brand-newbie!
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  14. Mr.Mann's Avatar
    Thank you for your time, effort and dedication to assistance.
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  15. bishop06's Avatar
    Thanks for putting this together, all in one easy to find place!
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  16. Sucker_dad's Avatar
    Alrighty then. Thanks for all of the info Baditude. So here is my concern. I was thinking of trying it with Coils of at least 1.8 ohm resistance. I am not ready for sub-ohm stuff and I know that. I have an Innokin itaste VV 3.0, would that drive an RDA with a coil in the 1.8-2.2 range? Or do they require more voltage than it will supply? The Innokin will go up to 5.0 volts.
  17. Baditude's Avatar
    A 1.8 ohm coil @ 5v will draw 2.8 amps from a battery, so that is within the iTaste VV 3.0's 3.5amp limit. However, an 800 mah battery isn't much capacity for an RBA which in my experience drains a battery much faster than a typical "over the counter" juice attachment like a clearomizer or cartomizer. Your use on an RBA would be nearly half of what you typically are used to. Most RBA's are also designed for much larger battery devices, so not only would one look awkward on this device, it would be extremely top-heavy due to their typical heavy materials & construction.
    gerrymi likes this.
    Updated 10-28-2013 at 02:34 PM by Baditude
  18. Amiaji's Avatar
    Thanks for putting all this together. It makes finding the info much easier. It is appreciated.
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  19. gerrymi's Avatar
    This fine blog post is dated 06-18-2013.

    Is the AGA-T2 still the "best" device for a "first RBA"?
  20. Baditude's Avatar
    I don't believe I ever said it was the "best" device for a first RBA. It is a Genesis-style tank which predominently uses stainless steel mesh wich (not the easiest wick material to work with), must be tilted horizontally when you vape for best wicking, and must be kept in an upright position to prevent leaking. If that doesn't bother you, then its a good Genny-style tank to begin with.

    I have since used a Kayfun-style tank, which is IMHO easier to build with a variety of wick materials and is not position dependent like the Genny's. These work with the negative pressure principle much like a cartotank does. The only negative with a Kayfun-style tank is you have to drain the tank to get to the coil & wick.
    gerrymi likes this.
    Updated 04-15-2014 at 01:41 PM by Baditude
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