What Else Do I Need? - DIY Mixing staples and misc for blending flavors

Disclaimer: Hoosier's DIY blogs are to only be read and understood by folks who have read all the sticky's in DIY E-Liquid and are based off of my experience with mixing my own juice for over a year.

OK, you've read all the sticky's. You have nicotine solution and bottles of PG and VG. You've even laid in a supply of flavorings, empty bottles, and measuring equipment. You are drooling over the thought of making some new fantastic juice and how great it will be. But what makes the difference between just a juice that vapes and one that is great? Unicorn tears and butterfly farts, or seemingly meaningless things that really make a difference.

First thing you need to have is the right mindset. This is not making a cake from a box, not yet it isn't. Once you have a great recipe it is like making cake from a box, but without the right mindset, that recipe may be impossible to create. There are no failures! There are mistakes that bring your mix closer to perfection. There are learning experiences that coat the drain lines of your kitchen sink. There may even be great juices that taste nothing like you expected when you first started. Keep notes so you can learn from these mistakes. If you refuse to learn from my blogs and your own experience to adjust what you are doing, then quitting is an option, but if you are of that type then you do not have the mindset in the first place. Without the mindset it is better to quit before you start and save yourself from the stress.

I could tell you that you HAVE to have one of these http://www.walgreens.com/store/c/wal...001629-product because I use them, at least two of these everytime I mix. I really like this one because it has a cleaning brush with it that has other uses when cleanup time comes and it just plain works. If I told you that you HAVE to have those syringes, I'd be a liar. You do have to have some way to measure that is repeatable and fairly accurate though and know that drops are not a good way to measure everything. If you just have to use drops, get a graduated cylinder and count the number of drops to bring the level up to 3ml and divide by 3 to get an average for each component in each dropper bottle you have. (You can pour your 3ml back into the bottle before you mark it with your estimate.) This is most important when you begin to scale up from your first 3ml to 5ml experiments. Tweaking a recipe when going from 5ml to 30ml is common and you will spend much less time tweaking if your experiments are done with repeatable measurements.

EM = Ethyl Maltol. You may as well tie one hand behind your back if you do not have some of this in your stash of stuff. (Two flavoring companies that I know of also sell this in a 10% solution as Cotton Candy Flavoring.) I use EM in a 10% solution and here is what it does:
  1. Tiny Bit (A fraction of 1% in your mix) - Gives a "body" to the vapor and may slightly reduce sharp notes.
  2. A Bit (Close to 1% +/- in your mix) - As above but will take the edge off sharp notes and may very slightly sweeten.
  3. A Bunch (1%-5% of your total mix) - As above plus sweeten
  4. A Load (10%+ of your total mix) - Cotton Candy flavor
Note that some folks are sensitive to the effects of EM and can taste sweetness at 0.05%, but this is fairly rare, and some folks are resistant to the effect and will never get anything sweet out of EM, but it will still add a depth to their juice that is feel more than taste. I don't care if you buy Maltol crystals and make your own solution or if you buy a 10% solution of ethyl maltol premade, like I do, just get it and experiment with it.

Order a Magic Bullet?
One of these may be a magical addition to your mix and all are by Flavour Art. They are also components that I tend to use by drops as FA's bottles are pretty consistant in drop size from my measurements and not much is used even when mixing larger quantities.
  • MTS Vape Wizard, aka VW. MTS is suppose to stand for More Thicker Smoother. It can help some mixes produce more vapor. (Some flavorings actually reduce vapor production) It can smooth or help blend flavors together. I use it in the 1 drop per 10ml to 1 drop per 3ml range, but usually start closer to the middle at 1 drop per 5ml to see if it will do a darn thing to the mix. Sometimes it seems to work wonders, but I've never had it make a mix worse.
  • Bitter Wizard. This makes things bitter. Mostly useful for tobacco blends, but sometimes a bit of bitter will make things much more flavorful. Again 1 drop per 10ml to 1 drop per 2ml is a useful range. I usually start at the tiny 1 drop per 10ml and work up if it is needed.
  • Magic Mask. This is weird stuff and I find it is more likely to hurt the taste of a mix than to help it. It can take really sharp notes down and make them palatable. I usually start over if I have used this in a mix and it helps and always start over if I have used this in a mix and it makes it worse. It may work better for you than me. This is the last thing I ever try on a mix.
More Stuff that tiny amounts can do great things:
  • Lorann Tart & Sour (This should explain itself.)
  • TPA/TFA's Koolada - This gives the feeling that mint and menthol give without the taste. (If you HATE menthol, avoid it as your brain will not be able to tell the difference between the feeling and the taste.)
  • Concentrated Lemon Juice - Yeah, that stuff out of the plastic lemon. Not for use with tobacco mixes, but can really brighten fruits.
  • Vinegar - Like lemon, but can work with tobacco mixes.

There are other unicorn tears and butterfly farts in my magic bag, but I've given you fine folks enough to get started on your own to making great mixes. You won't know until you try and you'll never know if you don't try, so have some fun with it!

Comments

Once again, sage advice from the master of DIY. Thank you.

One question. Is that industrial strength bling, or a trophy lock of braided hair from Rapunzel? :) (The eyes are the first to go you know)
 
That is a rusty iron chain I wore around my neck for the 16 hours I played Mongo. The only bad part about that was when the guys playing Mr Taggert and the Waco Kid would yank on it so, "Mongo wouldn't get out of control".
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(Uh, yeah, for fun I make costumes and pretend I'm in a Mel Brooks movie. It's a controlled release of crazy.)
 
Great job Hoosier and glad to hear that someone else feels the same way about MM. I've never found it as useful as the name applies.

I do have one question, does Hoosier like cigar? Great movie, I read the book long before I saw the movie.
 
Love this newest blog entry, esp. about EM & MW.
Just not sure where to find unicorn tears & butterfly farts :D
 
Hoosier;bt4416 said:
That is a rusty iron chain I wore around my neck for the 16 hours I played Mongo. The only bad part about that was when the guys playing Mr Taggert and the Waco Kid would yank on it so, "Mongo wouldn't get out of control".
hoosier-albums-misc-picture18009-harley-quinn-dances-french-mistake-i-just-like-harley.jpg


(Uh, yeah, for fun I make costumes and pretend I'm in a Mel Brooks movie. It's a controlled release of crazy.)

Doh! I thought it was a fake fur scarf....
As for the blog entry...great stuff as always. I always wondered the difference between a tiny bit and a load *scratches head
 
Perfect timing. I have been trying to get a smoother flavor out of my lemonade and others but as a noob I didn't remember where I read about Vape Wizard. Got it saved in my book marks and will start the search on where to find it. THANKS!!!!
 
Thanks for this post, first of all, what about malic acid(sour flavor) from TPA do you recommend it? I was reading through the vinegar post you quoted and I see that it's pretty mixed and people having bad experiences of vinegar after-taste, what percentage are we talking about here for vinegar and malic acid?
 
Hi Hoosier! I was by here last night and decided to see if I could save about 10ml of Blueberry by mixing in some lemon juice.

It worked like a champ! My blueberry is bearable now thanks to this tip. I assume I should let it steep a while before I try it again but it instantly seemed to improve it; thank you from a DIY noob.

Oh yes say hi to your parents for me if you can? I hope so...that way I could be the first to ask,
"Hoosier Daddy?"
 
sebastien1234;bt5596 said:
Thanks for this post, first of all, what about malic acid(sour flavor) from TPA do you recommend it? I was reading through the vinegar post you quoted and I see that it's pretty mixed and people having bad experiences of vinegar after-taste, what percentage are we talking about here for vinegar and malic acid?

I've never had a need for malic acid. Getting things sour enough is easy enough without it, but I do have it in my stash just in case that isn't always true. I have read a couple of debates on if it damages coils, but until I have a use for it, I will not know.

Percentages for each are tiny typically. Less than 1%. There are exceptions, but I haven't encountered them in my mixes with vinegar. I actually think it is more of a pH thing than it is a flavor thing, but I'm guessing as my education was in fightin' drinkin' and electronics.
 
yardbyrd;bt5600 said:
Hi Hoosier! I was by here last night and decided to see if I could save about 10ml of Blueberry by mixing in some lemon juice.

It worked like a champ! My blueberry is bearable now thanks to this tip. I assume I should let it steep a while before I try it again but it instantly seemed to improve it; thank you from a DIY noob.

Oh yes say hi to your parents for me if you can? I hope so...that way I could be the first to ask,
"Hoosier Daddy?"

Eh, if it's working, then vape it up.

A standard Purdue mock chant? Nah, never heard it before... (I went to Purdue and cheered for IU when they came to play Purdue. Cheered for Purdue other than those games.)
 
Hoosier;bt5639 said:
Eh, if it's working, then vape it up.

A standard Purdue mock chant? Nah, never heard it before... (I went to Purdue and cheered for IU when they came to play Purdue. Cheered for Purdue other than those games.)

I ordered some MTS VW and tobacco acsolute with some more tobacco flavors about a week ago. I used them both in my most recent tobacco mixes. The TA was a pain in the neck to handle and dilute but darn if a couple of diluted drops, along with the VW in my "house tobacco" mix didn't significantly improve it. Next time I'm going to try some vinegar. I'm slowly honing in on a tobacco flavor that may be, dare I say it, an all day vape! I have yet to go for one whole day vaping the same flavored e-liqluid all day.

Re: Purdue and IU: A long, long, time ago in a galaxy far away I was a student at UK in Lexington. One of our standard exhanges was, "I U?" to which one replied Van Nuys....UK?"
 
My last post reminded me that my vendor bought Blueberry had been steeping over a week since I tried it. It has become even better once I added a drop of lemon juice. Kudos to you Hoosier!
 
Great info there man, thanks so much!
I think you're quite a character :laugh:

Regards,
Charlie
 
What is the item you purchase from Walgreens? The link says it is no longer available and since you said you used it so much, I was just curious. Thank you so much. I am enjoying your blog and look forward to it helping me.
 
It is an Oral Dosing Syringe, 10ml, that comes with a stepped wedge stopper and a cleaning brush. (They are available many other places, but only the one from Walgreens has the cleaning brush and that brush is handy for more than just that syringe.)

I use 2 every time I mix. One stopper and syringe in my nicotine bottle and another in my bottle that contains PG and VG premixed.
 
Hello Hoosier,
I would like to ask a question,
does overused of EM will result in bitterness in my eliquid?
I have used 4 drops of EM in my eliquid, and I can taste a little bitter aftertaste.
I really appreciated your opinion.
 
Lestary, it could be you're sensitive to EM. If you are, a single drop in a 15ml bottle will be noticeable to you and imperceptible by most others. (But it could add some "body" to the vapor texture at that level.)

I say that because something that has too much sweetener often tastes bitter and if you're sensitive to it, that might be what is happening.

There are other possibilities, but that's what comes to mind right away. Could be a bad batch of EM too? Could be an odd reaction between your flavoring and the EM? (Sometimes flavorings do the weirdest things.)
 
Thank you for your blogs! I wouldnt have found them if I didnt see you mention them in a post I was reading.
 
Hi Mr. Hoosier,

Thanx a lot for this blog, I'm glad I can find it :)

I'm little bit confuse, u said:
1. Tiny Bit (A fraction of 1% in your mix) - Gives a "body" to the vapor and may slightly reduce sharp notes.

I'm using EM for reducing a harsh flavor, but I don't know what is the meaning of "body" in your sentences? can you explain it more detail, please :)

I really appreciate your reply.

Thanx before.
 

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