How about a compromise? Tensioned twisted-lead parallels!



rudy4653;15327336 said:
Hey All - So I'm bored during this winter cold snap and in the mood to experiment!
I have a question and would love some insights, experiences etc.
I'm wondering what the differences in flavor, warmth, and vapor production between a dual single coil build, and a twisted single coil build with the same resistance?
I know that both a single dual coil and a twisted single coil will run half the resistance of a single wire coil, so with that said what would be the differences and/or advantages of one over the other? Obviously can't build dual coils on single coil atty so a twisted would be the way to go but let's say with a Nuppin' I could run either. I'm not a power cloud chaser so I'm not even thinking about dual twisted coils yet, baby steps! Currently I'm running 7/8 wrap of 29g around a 16 gauge leur at 1.2 ohms and RxW on my Nuppin' but ready to experiment now. I'm a flavor/smooth/warm MTL guy rather than plume chaser direct lung hitter guy ( except on
another type mod that I can't mention here)! :2cool:
Looking forward to opinions!
Thanks.
Rudy, howyabeen? Real good question.

Behind the scenes of promoting tension as a tool for beginners my favorite wind for flavor elsewhere has been twisted pair. I vape tanks up to 2.2Ω and drippers down to .22Ω but like you I'm definitely a vapor density chaser. Not happy if I can't have both flavor and plumes. Generally that's usually the compromise single strand moderately low res dual. The middle ground between fat wire density of twisted and fast-firing thin wire tight contact mass of parallels. Problem with all multi-wire is stability. It's extremely hard to get adhesion by any means, torching or tension, with twisted. Miss it and you go hotter (diffuse rather than dense). And almost impossible to hold it together if you do pull it off with parallels. So frustrating with the latter, getting so close and losing it with the first rewick and lead separation, that I gave them up. And unfortunately with twisted to get a reasonable warm up time you have to stay with thin wire, usually above 28 or you give up too much resistance for coverage area. Again more like clouds than density. And my vaping style demands both.
What a conundrum huh? How do you eke out more fast firing, hard hitting coverage area (volume) and get chunky with the wick plus juice flow (density)? In an effort to tame the unbridled airiness of the new Subtank and find some meaningful density there, I dropped this in there, a tensioned twisted-lead parallel microcoil...


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Follow the convo there on Subbies CAN go deep and rich! and the listed links.

For those unfamiliar with tension, the above is not a look-alike challenge. It won't work. It was never torched, compressed or wound by hand. Anyone interested in the mechanics of composition and assembly can check the listed links or contact me. I'd be pleased to lend a hand.

And Rudy, if you're interested give me a nudge. One of the very first originals of the premise a twisted center-post (dual combo in single m.c., essentially a quad) still runs today, 6-months in place. I didn't tear it down on its target anniv. Just likin' it too much so I threw another batch of KGD in. Between tension and taught thick leads these things are rock solid.

Good luck all.

:)

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Mac - I wish you had a video or some tutorial of this build. If you do have a tut, please post the link or PM me please. What mystifies me is how you twist the leads once you are done with the tensioned wind. How does it not totally foul up the parallels???
 
Darryl there's no picture guided tutorial on how to make tensioned twised-lead parallels. I wish more peeps would be bold enough to post pictorials on their tensioned successes. But I did write up a good description and some shots of an inexpensive aid that seems to be missing from the toolkit of most rebuilders — the common clamp.

The clamp Luke, the clamp!

includes some picture examples of how to stabilize coils and instructions using clamping to work on coils and particularly the fragile end-turns.

We are intent it seems to wind obsolete coils solely by hand with the most challenging of approaches. No metric. Are we proving something by making it as difficult as possible? What does it bring us? A better vape? A more dependable one? We use tools to help us in everything that we do from kitchen to job site. But we attack the common coil as if the wheel had never been invented is beyond me.

There are a lot of things we can adapt to making coils but it helps to use the right tool. An effective solution. Why not use what we use constructively elsewhere. A pin vise has been used forever for making coils. Clamps for securing things and keeping them together.

Why walk when you can ride?

For the essentials and all the help you may need on symmetry, coil localization, stabilization and tension winding may be found on the Protank MicroCoil Discussion!!

For more advanced discussion on applying tensioned technology in your builds follow the thread Tensioned Micro Coils. The next step which super_X_driver and I are contributing to.

An advanced search on either thread say for the term clamp should give you more information on this or any other interest you may have regarding building with tension as a tool.

Good luck Darryl and thanks for the nod.

:)
 
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Thanks for all the great info and links... I'm trying to read all I can on the topic, but my heads going to explode today! LOL!
 

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