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    very well said indeed, jpargana!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaseyNY View Post
    Ok, pardon the little rant, but what sucks about all of this is that we even have to discuss it. Living in NY I can tell you the government seems to be all about telling us how to live and continue to take away the freedoms that our constitution gave us. They ban trans fat stuff, the make us wear motorcycle helmets, they talk about putting cameras in to catch those who run red lights (why? Not to make things safer! But to raise more money for the government!).

    Smoking bans, should have only effected government buildings! The owner of a business should have the choice as to weather to make their business smoke free or not. They have literally ruined businesses up here, from bars, to bowling alley's, etc.. I can see laws to protect minors (smoking, alcohol, seat belts, etc..), but you shouldn't write laws to protect people from themselves. If you ride a motorcycle without a helmet, then it should be your call!

    Also, since when does something have to be proven SAFE first? Innocent until proven guilty! Proven it harmful and we will stop, assuming it is more harmful then analogs, which common sense says, no way! I don't trust 'them' anyways now days. Whoever 'them' is. First they say coffee and caffeine is good, then a study says it combats alzheimer's, then another study will figure something out. Science, the media and our 'many' politicians corrupt and no one really seems to know the truth anymore.

    It doesn't take a rocket scientist to quickly surmise that vaping HAS to be safer than smoking tobacco! Although it would be nice to know, who has been vaping (as we know it) the longest. Do we have someone out there that has been vaping liek we do for years now? What is the history of vaping? I should go ask my doc for a chest x-ray, even though I have only been off analogs for 17 days. Because last time I had a chest x-ray I don't think they liked it. I know I can take a nice deep breath now without gasping or coughing, so it would be nice to have a comparison.

    Ok, sorry for the rant, but this is frustrating because the conversation is not rational. Arguing (rational debate) with people who are not rational is impossible! But my nature refuses to give up in trying to make these people think rationally.
    Sorry man I TOTALLY disagree about analogs being allowed in bars. As an asthmatic I should be allowed to go into a place without coming out hacking and barely breathing, also not stinking. I fully support any raising of price of cigs too, even if you support letting people make their own decisions, the decision to smoke is NEVER a good one. Once we take the first few cigs it's game over. We all know how hard it is to quit, any effort to make them harder to get, more expensive, less socially acceptable is a good one. I've had many friends either quit straight up or switch to vaping because of taxes, and most of that money goes to helping people quit, health, things that are actually good for our society, not feeding the greedy mouths of big tobacco and killing millions of innocent people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tonythefiddler View Post
    Sorry man I TOTALLY disagree about analogs being allowed in bars. As an asthmatic I should be allowed to go into a place without coming out hacking and barely breathing, also not stinking. I fully support any raising of price of cigs too, even if you support letting people make their own decisions, the decision to smoke is NEVER a good one. Once we take the first few cigs it's game over. We all know how hard it is to quit, any effort to make them harder to get, more expensive, less socially acceptable is a good one. I've had many friends either quit straight up or switch to vaping because of taxes, and most of that money goes to helping people quit, health, things that are actually good for our society, not feeding the greedy mouths of big tobacco and killing millions of innocent people.
    If you are speaking of cigarette taxes,most of the State tax money goes into the General Fund and the States" have become dependent on the money for things other than smoking education. The Federal tax is also used for purposes other than those the tax was intended.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Godshall View Post
    I'd be pleasantly shocked if the FDA changed their position and began asserting that e-cigarettes are tobacco products, as that way the FDA couldn't ban the products from the market, and the FDA would have to rescind their import warning on e-cigarettes.
    "that way the FDA couldn't ban the products from the market"

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