I need your help!!!

[revdrlon]

I have just been added to the agenda to raise awarness about e-cigarettes with my citys council, i need your help in coming up with a bullet point poresentation of things i should mention.

im not going to be saying they are an aid to quit but a replacement.

my only goal is to get this information to the chief of police who can then tell his officers that they are not drug paraphaneilia or a cigarette.

i was told by a commisioner that i would need to come up with about 8 bullet points i would need to talk about.

what would you guys reccomend i mention.

[ozrick]

I would say you need to show the e-cig and some juice so people understand what those look like, especially officers. I would also make sure you are on your P's and Q's about the word smoking. Makes sure it is always referred to as vaping.

Maybe:

* E-Cig cartridges and juice contain no tobacco or tar just liquid nicotine, water, PG and flavoring ( you will need to explain what PG is and it's uses in day to day foods, etc)

* Maybe explain how cartridges work and how people refill them with liquid. That way the officers know what they are looking at when they see it or see someone doing it.

* There is no first or second hand smoke. Vapor is produced containing primarily water and is virtually odorless (maybe explain some flavored carts may leave a scent behind for a few seconds and that vapor dissipates in a few seconds- there is no lingering vapor. This is important if you want to vape in close quarters, etc.)




There are quite a few bullet points I can think of but they may not apply to your audience. Since you are doing it for your city council, I don't think they care about costs / flavors / etc but more about how it effects people around them when you use them. Just be careful not to fall into the Smoking Everywhere trap - do not talk about them as healthy alternatives. They are a replacement containing no tar & tobacco.


Just a few ideas! Good luck!

[wv2win]

You are on the right track. Point out that they are an "alternative to smoking that produces only water vapor similar to a vaporizer used in a bedroom when you have a cold".

I would also point out that they have been independently tested in New Zealand and found to have no adverse effects on users or those near to users. PM Sun Vaporer for the actual report as I think he has it as well as much more information.

If you haven't seen this article and the referrance to Dr. Siegel's comments who is an anti-smoking advocate, it might be helpful:

Jacob Sullum : Where's the Fire? - Townhall.com

Very Important: DO NOT CALL THEM E-CIGARETTES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We need to break the connection. Call them PERSONAL VAPORIZERS OR PV'S.

I also assume you are going to demonstrate yours. Make sure it is fully charged and operating correctly. Use a tobacco flavored liquid and get close to the memebers so they can see they don't have a smell.

Also, you may want to make up 10-20 small cards or pieces of paper with the forum's web site, E-smoking magazine web site, Rite to Vape web site, etc on it to hand out. And you might want to have copies of Dr Seigel's article to hand out.

Here is another good article that you can provide them:

Electronic Smokers Magazine

Good Luck

[CssReb]

8 points

1. Device name PV= personal vaporizer
2. battery
3. atomizer
4. cartridge
5. filler
6. e-juice
7. demonstration
8. explanation that it is vapor and not smoke

[Closet Toker]

1.) No tobacco.

2.) No "illegal" substances are burn't

3.) It is smokless. When exhaled, the "smoke" is actually water vapor (produced by Proplene Glyco) No toxins are released, therefore no second hand smoke.

4.) Any "odor" is actually essence produced by candy extracts (flavorings)

5.) They are flameless (fireless), do not burn like a norm. tobacco cig. The liquid inside is heated, not burned. They are actually mini-vaporizers.

6.) They are not illegal by law (yet).


7.) Create a poster or smaller diagram (video) showing disection (anatomy) of a e-cigarette. Showcomponents and explain how it works.

8.) Use positive qoutes and literature from Doctors/health organizers (tobacco harm reduction) (Show the positive view points on overall harmreduction)

[ChainSmkr]

im not going to be saying they are an aid to quit but a replacement.

my only goal is to get this information to the chief of police who can then tell his officers that they are not drug paraphaneilia or a cigarette.

what would you guys reccomend i mention.

These are the points I think the police should know
in case someone is reported for "smoking" or having a "drug" kit
1. Personal Vaporizers are being used as a substitute for cigarettes
2. Although not legally classified as a smoking cessation aid or an NRT (yet), there are many personal testimonials that it has helped smokers quit or cut back
3. The e-liquid used may or may not contain nicotine
4. The vapor is not a carcinogen or pollutant (compare to 2nd/3rd hand smoke)
5. The vapor is generally considered odorless
6. Those that use PVs will most likely have a vial of e-liquid on them
Demo of a PV and accessory kits (vials of e-liquid, batts, tweezers, etc)

Best of luck to you revdrlon, this is a great opportunity!

[wv2win]

Here is another point that you may want to research or add which was posted on here today:

For instance, David Sweanor, who has worked with many health regulators including the WHO, said in a recent interview, “If there is anyone who believes cigarettes are no more hazardous than e-cigarettes I'd recommend a remedial course in basic sciences.”

And then there’s Dr. Joel Nitzkin. He is the Chair of the Tobacco Control Task Force for the American Association of Public Health Physicians, recently sent a letter to Senator Lautenberg. In it Nitzkin states, “As best we can tell, on the basis of currently available research data, these products [including but not limited to electronic cigarettes] promise a risk of illness and death well under 1% of the risk posed by cigarettes.”

Full article:


http://seekingalpha.com/article/1305...e-e-cigarettes

[Duckies]

If you are going to talk about PG, you should explain that it is what is used in asthma inhalers to make the vapor.

I would also note that nicotine in juice is an OPTION.

You may get questions about safety or 'healthy'. I would be prepared to respond with a "harm reduction" strategy as nicotine isn't a carcinogen.

[LuckyCharm]

Just off the top of my head, in no particular order, you might want to know:

• In Washington State, our Attorney General has explicitly stated that PV's do not violate any smoking ban.
• In South Dakota (I think -- might want to do a search), PV's were specifically mentioned as not being included in a recent ban on products that emulate cigarettes.
• Many people will revert to traditional cigarettes if deprived of PV's. Advantages, for the community, include:
  • No cigarette butt litter in parks, on streets & sidewalks, etc.
  • No fire hazard.
  • No second-hand smoke.
  • Increased worker productivity -- no longer any need to get up and go outside to catch a smoke.
  • Healthier people! I, among others, have noticed how much clearer my lungs are, how much better I sleep for not coughing through the night, etc.
    
• "Nicotine is an alkaloid found in certain plants, predominantly tobacco, and in lower quantities tomato, potato, eggplant, cauliflower, green peppers and some teas" (apologies to RefillMyNJOY.com -- this is taken straight from their FAQ. Thanks Al!)
  
• "NJOY emits what appears to be smoke but is actually a virtually odorless mist that evaporates into the air within seconds, similar to the functioning of a humidifier. NJOY leaves no visual residue in the air or lingering smell in clothes, home or car, whereas traditional smoking can leave an unsightly, acrid cloud known to irritate eyes and bother people's senses." (Ibid.)
  

I hope this helps. Good luck -- the more places we can get official acceptance, the stronger leg we have to stand on. I am telling every smoker I know about these, even though I'm not a distributor. But if smokers and non-smokers alike can come to view PV's positively, they'll be that much harder to ban.

~~Cheryl

[SmokeyJoe]

*SJ breaks a cardinal forum rule"

It may be worth mentioning that there is little chance of the e-cigarette being used to consume illicit drugs - since it's a police audience?