Now is the Time To Act! I am Serious! **updated**

[ECA]

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/for...tml#post202228

[Steph2323]

Some hopeful news from Oklahoma - Visited with Senator Coburn (or Dr Coburn? The Honorable Doctor Coburn? Just what *do* you call a U.S. Senator who is also a doctor?) for a brief moment (caught him walking to his car since I didnt get a chance to ask my question during the townhall meeting). And, he told me that he is firmly against the Waxman/Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control bill. It was unclear as to whether he is against it because of putting the FDA in charge of a cancer causing substance (tobacco) is ludicrious, if it was because it would effectively ban safer alternatives to tobacco, or if it was both. But he said that he was against the bill.

I wish I could have gotten more time with him, but that's better than nothing. And, at least we have one that we now know is against it, regardless of the reason. Also, he's known for using holds to kill bills. Tom Coburn - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Hopefully he will do that to this one if it becomes needed.

Despite the relatively good news, I would still write letters to the Senators, the more our voices are heard, the better. It does make me feel better about the whole thing, though.

Really great to hear that news. Thanks for talking to him on our behalf
Stephanie

[OutWest]

^ youre welcome

A special thanks to BandBsMom for posting about the townhall meeting tonight; thank you B&BsMom, it's very much appreciated!

[Kendra]

I've sent letters, too, but in regard to page 82, section 910, that someone quoted earlier, I don't see how this product falls into this category since it's clearly not tobacco. True, it's nicotine, but it is NOT tobacco. It doesn't produce smoke, either, so it seems to NOT fall under this section,either:

‘‘(B) any modification (including a change
14 in design, any component, any part, or any con15
stituent, including a smoke constituent, or in
16 the content, delivery or form of nicotine, or any
17 other additive or ingredient) of a tobacco prod18
uct where the modified product was commer19
cially marketed in the United States after Feb20
ruary 15, 2007.

It MIGHT fall under this

‘‘(I) is substantially equivalent to
6 a tobacco product commercially mar7
keted (other than for test marketing)
8 in the United States as of February
9 15, 2007;

section, but that's very broad.

Of course, it really doesn't matter at all what I say, because they may not see it this way at all.

Also, when were these products introduced here in the US? I really remember seeing them (what seems to be) quite a while ago, but I don't really know. But it seems as if I remember seeing them in 2007 or possibly earlier.

[OutWest]

i saw em being sold in th U.S. back in 05 or 06, i forget which.

[B&BsMom]

^ youre welcome

A special thanks to BandBsMom for posting about the townhall meeting tonight; thank you B&BsMom, it's very much appreciated!

Ahh shucks your welcome. I tried to make it up there but my daughters doctor took forever replacing her cast, errr. I'm glad someone went though, it's good to know where our senator stands on the issue. I will be sending him a letter with my thoughts on the subject as well.

[OutWest]

@B&B'sMom - Sorry to hear about daughter having a cast Hope she gets better soon.

@all - email regarding this thread and its subject has been queued and will be sent out a little after 8pm eastern time to my newsletter subscribers.

[Smokingfreely]

Ok sublime, let me put it this way so all the suppliers understand this. If I the user gets cancer or anything else from your product are you going to like being sued by the user? Are you understanding what I am getting at you guys are opening yourself up to huge liabilities, approval is an absolute must, nicotein is a drug and like all drugs is the U.S it should be regulated so we know exactly what we are inhaling. If anyone gets ill or worse there will be massive lawsuits and all the suppliers will then take a big step back and say " I don't make it I only sell it"

Fenez, you ever watched an hours worth of tv before? There are lawyers everywhere suing new drug companies every day for the effects that an FDA approved drug had on the masses. FDA approval doesn't affect your liability.

While the idea of a coalition of vendors self-regulating to me doesn't sound like it's going to wow anyone into protecting us from legislation, I certainly see only good coming from contacting our elected officials.

FDA regulation of niccotine sounds great doesn't it. It's one of those issues that if you have no idea what your constituents think, you're going to vote for. Vote against it, and when you run next year, your opponent's going to slam you for it. However, if you are overloaded with opinions from your consituents to the contrary, and (this is even more important) the general public understands why you might want to vote against it, than you might just choose to vote against it. Definitely everyone write these letters.

More importantly, let's get some well written press releases out about the dangerous unintended consequences of this bill - ie limitation of alternatives to smoking, the propensity for niccotine level regulation and the end result of an addict consuming higher levels of carbon monoxide and tar to receive the same level of niccotine. Maybe we send some (still well written) press releases about the possible conspiratory nature of the bill (see above, addict buys twice the cigarettes and the general public actually feels safer while having to smoke twice as many cigarettes, and what do you know Altria actually supports this legislation. Isn't Tropical Bob a reporter? Anyone else a writer here, too?

On an aside, I had a thought about the siezures at customs. If this bill is defeated, and the siezures stop, let's take a lesson from Margaret Sanger. (I'm certainly no fan of her values, just her method in this instance.) Why not use this new alliance you've created, and bring in a big order or devices and liiquid from a watched supplier that's clearly labelled "ELECTRONIC CIGARETTES FOR RESALE," and sue the FDA for stopping it, and get this all over with once and for all!

[Smokingfreely]

The problem is that the product isn't being manufactured in the USA and it is the responsibility of the manufacturer to file with the FDA. This puts the FDA between a rock and a hard spot when it hasn't received anything from a US manufacturing company that wants to sell the device. I'd imagine that manufacturers in Hong Kong and China have their hands full filling their own country's legal requirements right now before moving onto foreign requirements.

The location of the manufacturing of these products keeps coming up as if that has some bearing on their ability for an NDA submission. Most of the drugs for sale in this country come India, Israel, etc. This has no bearing on anything at all. Neither does the location of the corporation. Many approved drugs are imported from foreign facilities by foreign companies. I don't understand what the point is that is supposed to being made by pointing out that these products are produced in China. ????

[Smokingfreely]

The problem is that the product isn't being manufactured in the USA and it is the responsibility of the manufacturer to file with the FDA. This puts the FDA between a rock and a hard spot when it hasn't received anything from a US manufacturing company that wants to sell the device. I'd imagine that manufacturers in Hong Kong and China have their hands full filling their own country's legal requirements right now before moving onto foreign requirements.

Looked back over this, and maybe I see what you're saying, but you can get an NDA without being the original manufacturer - many of the drugs out there today are contract manufactured. I used to work for a generic pharmaceutical company that didn't own a manufacturing facility anywhere, but we were listed in the Orange Book. This makes no difference either.