Now is the Time To Act! I am Serious! **updated**

[fenez]

OH and btw why on earth do you guys think we as users would support you guys policing yourselves? That is the worst thing you guys could lobby with users for that just smacks of dishonesty

[radiokaos]

Write what your opinion is....plain and simple...just take action to have your voice heard!

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the point is if you do or you don't you shouldnt let the government make that decision for you!

this is just my food for thought...i just encourage whatever your opinion is FDA or non FDA ...that you should voice it!

She makes a very valid point. Via for FDA regulation or Self Regulation. Letting others know about the benefits of Vaping is the big thing.

[LifeLongJoyRide]

I don't think this thread is going exactly as planned lol

[fenez]

Just keeping everyone honest is all and maybe a little regulation will do that.

[Idahojo]

See...I can order from China, EASILY. Sure it'll take a little longer to get here and sure there's a small chance my shipments will get jacked by customs but I can still get my stuff. The only reason I order from U.S. based suppliers is convenience.

If all of this is banned how can you be sure you can get your stuff from China. If the door is closed on all of it, then what?

I hear what you're saying and you make a lot of good points, but this does concern a lot of people. I hope we're not looking at the end of our vaping world. Only good thing is the FDA are usually quite slow about doing anything. Let's hope they keep up their legendary snailspace.

[Elwin]

I'm from Missouri - the "Show Me" State...

[Terraphon]

e-cigs have been around for a long time, Joe...The FDA has been watching them for a while, they're only just now being vocal about them because of the explosion in the US. They do work very slowly but they've had plenty of time to take aim.

Also, I don't know 100% that I can get my stuff from China but I do have a buddy in Shanghai that will certainly hook me up if I ask.

The main problem I have here is that the suppliers act like they have something up their sleeve but they're not willing to share with the class. I've never done well with people keeping secrets.

[calligal]

If you go to the link FDA tobacco bill - SourceWatch you will see Philip Morris is suppose to be a part of it because of their campaign for tobacco free kids.

IdahoJo I think we can break it down to taking liberties or perhaps the wording has been changed.
FDA to require manufacturers recall "defective" cigarette products (that is, cigarettes that, according to the bill, contain "a manufacturing or other defect not ordinarily contained in tobacco products on the market that would cause serious, adverse health consequences or death");
We know that nicotine is considered unsafe and well like many things can be toxic if abused and they did market the product as an e-cigarette.

require cigarettes not be "adulterated or misbranded"; require specifically worded warning labels with colors and graphics that take up 30 to 50 percent of the front and back of the pack; prevent the givaway of free samples; regulate advertising and promotion, and other measures. [5]
There has been much discussion to claims of the e-cig being healthier and claims that it is a stop smoking cessation device which has yet to be proven but still used to sell the device. There are no warning labels that come with anything. They are on the websites.

While those of us who are on this board know whats up and the risks I doubt kiosks like Smoking Everyone give all the facts.

We are using a device that imitates cigarettes and I think that is what the bill and FDA will use if passed.

Umm...Terraphon you just wrote a wonderful argument here in the forum. Can't you find the time to send an email? Would it help if we put together a list of addresses and emails?
And we are writing because we want to be legal and not considered some drug user to be arrested for vaping in our own home.

[ChainSmkr]

I'd be lying if I said I wasn't disappointed at some of the defeatist attitudes. Do you not vote because you think your one vote doesn't count? Even if you don't believe in the system (which always starts with letters btw), there's no need to take the role of the bubble burster. ie, if it doesn't help anything then it certainly isn't going to hurt anything either is it? Very few things happen at the snap of a finger - it usually requires the patience of going through a process.

The bottom line is that the e-cig needs to go through the system so it can be properly categorized. Since nicotine is a drug, there are legal steps that must be taken in order to sell it. In the US, those steps currently can't be taken because the e-cig/e-liquid has no classification as a medical NRT device. I feel it was/is the false advertisement of the bigger companies, claiming that it is an NRT device that has created this mess.

[fenez]

Want to legimize it? put some money behind research or hire a respected Dr.as a spokesman. To just leave it as it is will only shorten the life of vaping, every legitimate industry has to prove their product, especially when it contains a drug.