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    I wrote my representatives, the president, the FDA, etc... got a couple of responses:

    Here was my letter:

    I wanted to voice my opinion on the e-cigarette.

    I have been a smoker for 35 years and have tried various methods to quit without success.

    I recently learned of the e-cigarette while waiting on a doctor visit via the "health" channel shown on a TV in the waiting room. The segment was hosted by a doctor, and the general tone was approval. After discussing it with my doctor during that visit, I spent a couple of days researching on the internet as well as having an in-depth discussion with a PHD in Chemical Engineering (my boss) and decided it was a much better alternative to smoking if it could replace my 2 pack a day habit.

    I purchased one and have been tobacco free for over 3 weeks. I honestly don't see ever using tobacco again. I generally feel better, my sense of taste has improved, and I've noticed I have more endurance.

    In my research I’ve learned that a New Zealand doctor has been researching these devices for some time and these results show the e-cigarette to be signifigantly safer than any form of tobacco. I invite you to take a look: Health New Zealand


    Further testing should be conducted; however, I believe that these devices should remain on the market as they are undoubtedly safer than the alternative.

    Thank You,


    Rick Hageman
    Senior Mechanical Designer
    Pacific Consolidated Industries
    12201 Magnolia Ave
    Riverside, Ca 92503
    951.479.0860 x254
    rhageman@pci-intl.com


    Got a response from an agency of the FDA (OSHI, Office of Special Health issues):

    Hello--

    This office is not involved in regulation of these products. However, I found the following links to information of possible interest to you:
    Import Refusal Report
    Import Refusal Report

    According to the information at the above links, under Federal law these products may not be lawfully marketed without having been tested and approved for marketing. Preliminary testing would not be sufficient as a basis for a regulatory determination for these products. While we appreciate the risks of smoking, products like this can be marketed only after thorough testing. In the absence of such marketing approval, their marketing would constitute a violation of Federal law.

    Here is a link to non-FDA information:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/02/us...e.html?_r=1&hp.

    I hope you find this information helpful.

    David Banks
    FDA Office of Special Health Issues

    Well, THAT response kind of pissed me off...

    The more positive response (partially) was from one of my Congressional Representatives, (it was hand signed):

    Dear Mr. Hageman,

    Thank you for contacting me regarding the e-cigarette.

    I am concerned about the detrimental health effects of tobacco and am pleased to hear that the e-cigarette has helped you quit smoking. You also may be interested to know that Congress recently passed H.R. 1256, the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act.

    H.R. 1256 seeks to enable the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to regulate tobacco products. In addition, H.R. 1256 would prohibit tobacco companies from manufacturing cigarettes containing artificial or natural flavors other than tobacco or menthol. I supported H.R. 1256 when it passed the House by a vote of 307 to 97 on June 12th. It now awaits the President's signature.

    Please let me know if I may be of any future assistance.

    Sincerely,

    David Dreier

    Better, although I don't agree with all the provisions of H.R. 1256. Besides, it's about tobacco, not our devices.

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    "While we appreciate the risks of smoking, products like this can be marketed only after thorough testing."

    That's the core contradiction right there. Smoking HAS been tested and proven to kill, yet it's allowed to remain on the market. PVs have only been subject to some testing and have been shown NOT to cause the same range of issues as smoking, yet they're on the verge of being forbidden.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Surf Monkey View Post
    "While we appreciate the risks of smoking, products like this can be marketed only after thorough testing."

    That's the core contradiction right there. Smoking HAS been tested and proven to kill, yet it's allowed to remain on the market. PVs have only been subject to some testing and have been shown NOT to cause the same range of issues as smoking, yet they're on the verge of being forbidden.
    Not to mention all the various dietary supplements out there that are marketed without having to be tested. I saw a new one (at least, new to me) at the grocery store the other day. It was a mix of vitamins and such being sold as a hangover remedy.

    I just got a letter from my congressman that had nothing to do with what I contacted him about. I called and gave his aid an earful because every time I've contacted his office I've gotten a response that had nothing to do with what I contacted them about.

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    [quote=OutWest;374630]Not to mention all the various dietary supplements out there that are marketed without having to be tested. I saw a new one (at least, new to me) at the grocery store the other day. It was a mix of vitamins and such being sold as a hangover remedy.

    That makes me think of Hydroxicut. It took someones death and others with liver complications to get the FDA attention. If only there was a lobby for supplements no one would care.

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    Well if they are illegal to sell here in the states then i will order from overseas and pray that it does not get seized at the border. I guess then I can be clear I am not breaking the law

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    No one using or selling these products is breaking the law at the moment (with the possible exception of Smoking Everywhere, which made unsupportable health claims about the product.)
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    I bet if smoking everywhere and all of the others that made those claims and look like a analog were never around we wouldn't have this problem.

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    I think the government would have gotten involved eventually anyway, but the SE health claims and the decision to make them look like cigarettes got the ball rolling far sooner than it had to. Making them look like cigarettes is completely understandable from a marketing perspective, so I doubt we could have avoided that. But the SE health claims? That was completely out of line and set us back dramatically.
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    I agree with you surf along with people vaping wherever they wanted and when asked to stop putting up a fight. I know we can be a rowdy bunch but sometimes I think you just need to take it on the chin and move on.

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    Totally. I'm a big advocate of vaporing in public, but if I get even a hint of push back I put the PV away or move to a designated smoking area. Making people angry is not a good tactic. Making them aware is.
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