FDA accepting public comments on tobacco bill

[BigJimW]

Originally Posted by Ridewithme38

Nicotine optional was a Great switch...it takes weight off the issue of it being a Medical delivery device(Only for the delivery of Nicotine) This is really the point that needs to be made...If this device is seen as only having one use(Providing a Drug regulated by the FDA) then we have no footing....

The bottom line is it IS optional. I am sure that there are a number of people that vape the 0 mg nicotine. It then becomes a civil rights issue at this point. To deny those that use it for zero nicotine, simply because there are those who use it with nicotine, is just plain wrong.

If they ban e-cigs, they may as well ban Zig Zag rolling papers as well, as that is a component of a "drug delivery device", even though a number of people use it to roll their own cigarettes. Why deny those that want to "roll their own" cigs be denied because some like to roll things other than tobacco in it? e-Cigs are no different.

[LaceyUnderall]

Originally Posted by BigJimW

If they ban e-cigs, they may as well ban Zig Zag rolling papers as well, as that is a component of a "drug delivery device", even though a number of people use it to roll their own cigarettes. Why deny those that want to "roll their own" cigs be denied because some like to roll things other than tobacco in it? e-Cigs are no different.

And spoons. I don't use my spoons to cook meth or coke but people do...

As a zero nic vaper, if they do take my ecig away from me, they are basically telling me that I have to start a nicotine addiction in order to get what satisfies me in a cigarette now and that is the inhalation/exhalation. Has nothing to do with nicotine anymore.

Right there with you. This IS a violation of our rights.

[imahuph]

posted to the site, hope they read it. i like my nic stick, hope they dont take it from me

[BigJimW]

BTW, I sent a copy of that via contact on the White House page to President Obama. Wouldn't it be a hoot if he actually read it?

[Vapor Pete]

I wish I could watch someone from the FDA sit and read that letter. I wish it could be read to congress on national television with all of America tuned in.
How that letter could not sway the American public would be beyond my comprehension. You dont have to be a smoker, or an e-smoker, to see how f'ed up this whole thing is. Ugh! I could go on forever.... but good job! Well done

My best,
-VP

[virtuetovice]

I really think the ecig shouldn't be put into one category. It seems here on the forum, it's become way more than just a way to quit smoking, or an alternative to smoking. It seems that it's starting to become a hobby. Modifying, improving, making liquid, and so on. The government needs to realize that people purchase these for different purposes. Some people want a safer way to get their nicotine fix. Some people want to break the habit completely, and some people just enjoy the act of smoking but would rather do it through the ecig because of he risks behind analogs. And then there are people, especially here, that have formed it into a past time, maybe a hobby if you will.

Using an ecig for the purpose of breaking a nicotine addiction is an excellent purpose for the product. The flexibility of it means you can work your way down, gradually, from a high dosage of nicotine, to a lower dose, and eventually none. Then this brings you to having the HABIT of smoking - The actual hand to mouth action. With your nicotine addiction broken, your brain feels lees and less compelled to tell your body to reach for the ecig. I took this approach myself and have found that this is a very proven theory, as I'm currently using nicotine free cartridges, and only reach for my ecig two to three times per day.

People who use these for the enjoyment of the act of smoking are obviously benefiting. They risk their health much less, while continuing to enjoy the physical act of smoking. Then there are those who use these for the safer delivery of nicotine. According to many people, nicotine is an excellent way to calm your nerves, focus, think clearly, and so forth. This is the situation where the FDA SHOULD come in. Obviously, nicotine is a very powerful drug. If used, administered, and controlled correctly, nicotine enriched cartridges should be the only part of the ecig controlled by the government. I'm sure, even if they DID consider it a prescription drug, it wouldn't be hard to tell your doctor "Hey doc, I've been using nicotine as a way to focus and ease my stress. Could you write me a prescription? This is the dose that works, this is how often I used it, and I used about this much every month." How hard would that be? With a little common sense and more logical thinking, everyone can be happy. Instead of keeping a closed mind about something new, sit down, look at the benefits and drawbacks of such a wonderful device.

[Stubby]

This is a bit more direct route for leaving comments.

Regulations.gov

If you click on the top line and then click on the bottom right comments button it will take you there.

[Mitty]

We might want to point this out to them too. 2 of their official okiedokie anti smoking drugs have some nasty side effects. Yet another reason to leave e-cigs alone IMHO.

Two anti-smoking drugs to carry mental-health warnings - CNN.com

[BigJimW]

Originally Posted by Mitty

We might want to point this out to them too. 2 of their official okiedokie anti smoking drugs have some nasty side effects. Yet another reason to leave e-cigs alone IMHO.

Two anti-smoking drugs to carry mental-health warnings - CNN.com

I just want to KILL MYSELF after reading this. Heh. So, the FDA keeps a known killer for users on the market and simply slap a warning label on it.. Not surprising, since big Pharma benefits the most.

Nicely played FDA.

[kgonepostl]

Originally Posted by Ridewithme38

Nicotine optional was a Great switch...it takes weight off the issue of it being a Medical delivery device(Only for the delivery of Nicotine) This is really the point that needs to be made...If this device is seen as only having one use(Providing a Drug regulated by the FDA) then we have no footing....

It's a dumb switch in my opinion. If we put up a poll here and everybody answered truthfully to if they smoke it with nicotine or not we'd get an INSANELY low count. Probably 5%

It is optional, however, if we believe in our product, believe we're being screwed. We must speak the truth in how it's changed our lives.

I for one used to sleep 14 hours a day. I've tried everything.........besides quitting smoking. Now I'm down to 6-8 hours a day after a month.

That's a powerful statement and we all have one of our own. Along with our willfull determination, our intellect, and our courage, we may be able to fight this. But let's not turn it into a spin fabrication of the truth with people vaping 48mg solutions on this forum.