why not just ship with out nicotine

[happily]

It also says "ship" without

[Babachoo]

It also says "ship" without

That changes nothing and does nothing to validate your original point. Fail troll is fail.

[Surf Monkey]

That changes nothing and does nothing to validate your original point. Fail troll is fail.

Well. Evidently someone doesn't like being wrong.

The word "ship" is the key element in the OPs argument. Ignoring it reflects poorly on you, not him.

[Babachoo]

Well. Evidently someone doesn't like being wrong.

The word "ship" is the key element in the OPs argument. Ignoring it reflects poorly on you, not him.

I thought "without nicotine" carried mroe weight than "shipping". His suggestion is to only ship 0mg carts, which would mean that we would be responsible for adding nicotine ourselves. So his point is rediculous and your attempt to back it up doesn't even back up what he was saying. But whatever.

[crazyhorse]

The time for a suggestion like this has long passed. As for the devices, the FDA is quite clear about them being medical devices and under FDA purview.

Actually, FDA recently told my senator "FDA has not taken steps to ban the importation of such products." Then, they pass the buck of responsibility with "Congress has directed the Agency, under the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (the Act)..."

Look here to read the letter from FDA.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/for...rd-shelby.html

[smokinsimon]

Shipping just the device, and then we buy our nic juice from home brew or however.. Makes perfect sense to me. Don't see how they can ban an empty device that does nothing by itself.

[chad]

Well it would seem that since JC is the only distributer that touts making their own juice, or having the ability to, they may soon have a monopoly.

Unless they're getting their nicotine from China.

The issue with the devices, the FDA has pointed out, that they can be use to smoke crack ........

The FDA is full of propaganda to support their power grab for legislation over these devices. If they "officially" use this as an argument, there will be much litigation over it. It is an non-defensible argument against the devices. They say that only to sway public opinion which will be the "real" battle that must be fought - control of public opinion.

[sattec]

Shipping just the device, and then we buy our nic juice from home brew or however.. Makes perfect sense to me. Don't see how they can ban an empty device that does nothing by itself.

the raw tobacco or other products needed to produce your own juice would/will skyrocket as the fda would regulate the products....growing your own tobacco in your yard is not even safe.

[Surf Monkey]

I thought "without nicotine" carried mroe weight than "shipping". His suggestion is to only ship 0mg carts, which would mean that we would be responsible for adding nicotine ourselves. So his point is rediculous and your attempt to back it up doesn't even back up what he was saying. But whatever.

Yes it does. "Ship" basically means "sell" in this context. In other words, you buy the PV without any nicotine products attached. That does NOT mean that you can't buy nicotine liquid separately. There are plenty of outlets that only sell the liquid. Johnson Creek for example. The idea here is to decouple the device from the drug. I'm not sure why some people are having a hard time grasping the concept.

[Surf Monkey]

Actually, FDA told recently told my senator "FDA has not taken steps to ban the importation of such products." Then, they pass the buck of responsibility with "Congress has directed the Agency, under the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (the Act)...

Look here to read the letter from FDA.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/for...rd-shelby.html

Exactly. As I said, FDA policy towards PVs is not written in stone at this point. They're taking shipments on a case by case basis and they have no formalized regulatory framework around them.

It's important to understand that this fight is far from over. Don't succumb to the pessimists here who would suggest otherwise.