Potential Kentucky Ban - Help with an E-mail.

[Nole1028]

I am so glad I found this page! I was e-mailed the Public Service Announcement that Ellen Hahn was proposing a ban on these. I sent her a lengthy e-mail as well last night.

[quote=sherid;555152]Ellen Hahn is the female equivalent of John Banzhaf. You are wasting your time.


You may consider this a waste of time but if we all get scared and run from one person who has authority or influence, then we can never get anything done. This kind of comment is counter productive to our goals as advocates of PVs.
I REFUSE to give in on this. It has saved my life from smoking and will save thousands of others if we don't give up.

[BardicDruid]

Well if this woman is the equivalent of John Banzhaf, talking to her will be useless. What you need to do is contact the people she's talking too and counter her claims.

[Nole1028]

Well if this woman is the equivalent of John Banzhaf, talking to her will be useless. What you need to do is contact the people she's talking too and counter her claims.

And you may be exactly right. I believe if you are going to tell someone that they are barking up the wrong tree, give them some hope or direction. The worst thing we can do is convince ourselves and others that this is a useless fight just because it appears to be difficult.

You and I and many others on this forum know the effectiviness of the e-cig. That's enough to convince me that this is worth fighting for.

[TheBoogieman]

Always good to know your enemy.
Heres her enemy:
Google this guy. Jim Waters of the Bluegrass Institute for Public Policy Solutions

[RooksGambit]

Always good to know your enemy.
Heres her enemy:
Google this guy. Jim Waters of the Bluegrass Institute for Public Policy Solutions

Sir, that is exactly what I needed. Thanks for the heads up. I will be sending my email to both Professor Hahn and Jim Waters. Almost got it finished. Want it to be perfect.

-Rook

[kinabaloo]

rook - very nice mail; lays it out. The only thing that could imprive it is a sentence or two on what the FDA reposrt did not say.

Making our voice heard it what it's it all about - kudos!

yvilla - i didn't have the third link on my site and will consider adding it.

Similarly the tobaccoharmreduction site; after get some sleep.

[LaceyUnderall]

Rooks -

Thank you for taking the initiative in KY.

Technical Review and Analysis of FDA Report: Evaluation of e-cigarettes

The third link (in the blog post) is a pdf to the Exponent report peer reviewing the FDA's report.

Exponent is used by many companies for testing towards FDA approval and is one of the US's most highly recognized labs. The FDA usually sees things from Exponent as being top-notch and thoroughly done research.

In this case, Exponent went through the FDA's report and broke down the issues. It's a great read and IMHO, if someone is going to take the FDA's report as fact, they should certainly read this.

[sherid]

[QUOTE=Nole1028;556183]I am so glad I found this page! I was e-mailed the Public Service Announcement that Ellen Hahn was proposing a ban on these. I sent her a lengthy e-mail as well last night.

Ellen Hahn is the female equivalent of John Banzhaf. You are wasting your time.


You may consider this a waste of time but if we all get scared and run from one person who has authority or influence, then we can never get anything done. This kind of comment is counter productive to our goals as advocates of PVs.
I REFUSE to give in on this. It has saved my life from smoking and will save thousands of others if we don't give up.

We know that, and you can send it to whomever you like. My suggestion is to counter her and those like her by calling attention to the issue by sending your plea to a group that has clout and will work for us. That's why I suggested the Bluegrass Institute. They will not delete your message.

[sherid]

Here's why Ellen Hahn is not going to help and why the Bluegrass Institute may.
Smoking out socialist smack on cigarettes
By Jim Waters
Kentucky’s smoking nannies have made it clear: They want a state-government imposed and enforced smoking ban in every public place in the commonwealth – even in local communities that have decided otherwise.
We must stop them.
They brush aside as insignificant — or worse, ignore altogether — the right of local governments to make smoking policies that best fit their communities, especially if those decisions result in a partial ban rather than a total one.
For example, the state’s Chief Smoking Nanny, Ellen Hahn, who directs the University of Kentucky Center for Smoke Free Policy, recently issued her call for a statewide ban while in Bowling Green to speak to the Rotary Club.
“I think it would be really wonderful if the state would pass it,” Hahn told Dan Modlin, news director for Western Kentucky University’s public radio affiliate, who covered the speech. “However, let me just say — it has got to be totally comprehensive, meaning that all work places would be covered.”
Then to my amazement, she added: “It has to have anti-pre-emptive language, meaning that local governments could do more if they wanted to.”
Look out. The nannies think those governments not satisfied with simply trampling on the private-property rights of business owners should be able to tell you what you can – or cannot – do in your personal living space.
Perhaps they could force apartment-building owners to ban smoking in their units, or send armed troops to arrest parents who smoke at home around children.
Not only that, Hahn wants to spend “millions” on a statewide ban. Making a comment like that during an economic downturn makes me wonder what she’s been smoking.
By pushing for a statewide ban while in Bowling Green, Hahn thumbed her nose at the city commission, which voted 3-2 against a comprehensive smoking ban in August 2007.
Instead, commissioners agreed to ban smoking in publicly owned places – such as courthouses and parks. It was a reasonable – and constitutionally acceptable – compromise. And based on the most recent election results, the community seems satisfied.
Hahn’s proposal indicates that nannies have very little interest in finding acceptable compromises. They would not hesitate to waste all effort by local governments that have already done their own wrestling on this issue.
The same thing happened in Hopkins County, which fought through much controversy and reached a decision recently that all sides accepted. It bans smoking in public places where those under age 18 are allowed.
This agreement resulted from nearly a yearlong fight, during which county lawmakers tried to evade responsibility by passing it to nannies in the county’s health department. Residents who fought the ban believe bureaucrats in Frankfort were pushing the locals to bypass elected officials and trample on the rights of private-property owners in the name of protecting people’s health. Look for them to try and do the same thing in other communities.
But after this column called attention to the magistrates’ all-out attempt to avoid making tough decisions, they worked with local residents and reached a compromise. Hahn’s proposal would undo that and cheapens efforts already put forth by local residents to solve the issue.
Smoking out socialist smack on cigarettes (Posted May 1, 2009) :: Bluegrass Institute for Public Policy Solutions

[LaceyUnderall]

Rooks -

Sherid's suggestion is a good one. IMHO, send them your information. Hahn has made her decision and will most likely not change her position. However, The Bluegrass Institute will be more likely to hear what you have to say.

Every eSmoker in KY should probably start writing letters to this group. Not only do they have the willingness to listen, but they have the ability (money) to get the eSmokers message out. http://www.bipps.org/

Here is a video from their website of which this is about: The freedom of choice for Americans ie Consumers.

YouTube - The Bluegrass Institute

EDIT for SheriD - Is there a group like this in California?