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    Awesome set of rational guidelines. After saying that I can't help but feel that it apply to only a certain percentage of posters in an average topiced or specific topiced thread. I have on to many occasions come across a great thread only to see it degrade into my way is better than your way because it cost more or was made in the country by this person using these exclusive materials,ingredients ect...

    I know that all threads don't end up like this and that there are many fine,intelligent,articulate persons who contribute some the best blogs,posts,dissertations in some cases I've ever read. I've been trying to come up with some ideas for presenting our side of things to those that wish to brand us basically as deviants for wanting to do what we do. I keep coming back to all the vape meets,bashes and big shindigs being each month or yearly and think hey why don't we just take our best vapping gear and our best and brightest vapping celebs and go to the source for a serious vape meet. Sending emails or making calls is nice and in some cases very effective. I think though if we showed up in Washington with a sizeable group of responsible vappers we could make a big impact on public opinion and dazzle them with our sincerity and passion about how these simple products transformed not just our lives but many others. Well a man can dream can't he? Or have they taken that away already and I missed the memo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrfixit View Post
    Awesome set of rational guidelines. After saying that I can't help but feel that it apply to only a certain percentage of posters in an average topiced or specific topiced thread. I have on to many occasions come across a great thread only to see it degrade into my way is better than your way because it cost more or was made in the country by this person using these exclusive materials,ingredients ect...

    I know that all threads don't end up like this and that there are many fine,intelligent,articulate persons who contribute some the best blogs,posts,dissertations in some cases I've ever read. I've been trying to come up with some ideas for presenting our side of things to those that wish to brand us basically as deviants for wanting to do what we do. I keep coming back to all the vape meets,bashes and big shindigs being each month or yearly and think hey why don't we just take our best vapping gear and our best and brightest vapping celebs and go to the source for a serious vape meet. Sending emails or making calls is nice and in some cases very effective. I think though if we showed up in Washington with a sizeable group of responsible vappers we could make a big impact on public opinion and dazzle them with our sincerity and passion about how these simple products transformed not just our lives but many others. Well a man can dream can't he? Or have they taken that away already and I missed the memo.
    I think your idea is quite reasonable and practicle. Many of the monied interests that would like to control the marketplace using regulations do pay to influence officials, both elected and appointed. There is no reason that local vaping groups can not be instructed on how to approach elected representatives about vaping and present with their stories. In effect, we need to become our own lobbyists and educate those we vote for what it is we are talking about. I have a hunch many of them have never seen an ecig outside of a convinence store.

    Most representatives take breaks and return to their home district so a trip to D.C. may not be needed. Much of the battle lately has been local and in the states anyway.

    If I were to add one thing to the list it would be to encourage people to talk from their own experiences and to not feel like they need to be armed with data and facts. I think many people feel they aren't good speakers and want to leave it up to others because they under value their journey and what vaping means to them when that is precisly what most politican's need to hear and it's usually missing from the debte. The passion that most vapers have for the freedom from smoking is quite moving and compelling - it's also something corporations can't duplicate. It does not need to be perfect, just personal.

    The other point I think is important is that winning support is not about winning a debate. Most people, including representatives are able to easily remember 3 main points - and at most 5 or 6 but that's stretching it. Pick 3 conclusions, goals or talking points and don't stray off into other topics otherwise it becomes rambling or lecturing and everything is lost. Short and to the point is more memorable.

    The OP's post is a very good list for creating any kind of win-win discussion rather than having a topic turn into a win-loose debate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrfixit View Post
    Awesome set of rational guidelines. After saying that I can't help but feel that it apply to only a certain percentage of posters in an average topiced or specific topiced thread. I have on to many occasions come across a great thread only to see it degrade into my way is better than your way because it cost more or was made in the country by this person using these exclusive materials,ingredients ect...

    I know that all threads don't end up like this and that there are many fine,intelligent,articulate persons who contribute some the best blogs,posts,dissertations in some cases I've ever read. I've been trying to come up with some ideas for presenting our side of things to those that wish to brand us basically as deviants for wanting to do what we do. I keep coming back to all the vape meets,bashes and big shindigs being each month or yearly and think hey why don't we just take our best vapping gear and our best and brightest vapping celebs and go to the source for a serious vape meet. Sending emails or making calls is nice and in some cases very effective. I think though if we showed up in Washington with a sizeable group of responsible vappers we could make a big impact on public opinion and dazzle them with our sincerity and passion about how these simple products transformed not just our lives but many others. Well a man can dream can't he? Or have they taken that away already and I missed the memo.
    Agreed, seems to make sense!

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    good writing there... If I could get myself to remember that while trying to convey a message, I always seem to start there, but sometimes I drift to the opposite pole..

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