What about Michael Moore?

[ritalin]

This is why we would be doomed.

He edits interviews in a fashion to slant it towards his agenda. And has lost most, if not all credibility.

So he edits and slants his interviews and facts towards his agenda. Well FIRST off that is exactly what the FDA and current media coverage is doing to us NOW...
Second, that's exactly what WE are doing right now. Short of the fact that the contents of our carts have all been tested independent of each other and found to be safe for human consumption, it still does NOT change the fact that the long term effects of these components in conjunction with each other IS NOT YET known and HAS NOT been tested. I know there are independent studies, but they are not long term. All we really know as of know is that we feel much better, much healthier then when we used traditional cigarettes. As passionate as I feel about this product, it does not change the fact that until science proves their safety, I have to consider the fact that they are NOT.

Also if he has infact "lost most, if not all credibility" then why does he continue to have his movies released?

Please try to remember that ANYONE that questions and ideal or opinion that happens to differ from your own, must be lying or slanting the truth. This is pretty much how the ego works. It tricks you into believing that the other party must be using tricks in order to have shot holes in your beliefs. Have a look at creationists if you would like a good example.
***Sorry if that offended any creationists in the room, I just needed a blunt example.***

Now back on point. If Mike has the ability to do ANYTHING, it is to get people talking. This is something we are lacking. People ARE NOT TALKING. Hell most people are not aware that the issue even exists. Do you honestly feel that the members of this board even represent as much as a pen head in size, compared to the national population? We have to put aside personal politics if we are ever going to change anything. If in fact you will walk away if he decides to represent this cause; I say, Piss off and there is the door, if your not helping your hindering.

So with that said, please explain again how a man with as much media exposure as Mr Moore, could be a bad thing for our cause.

[scottyj]

you want coverage forget MM he is out for the $$$ we need regular congress men 1 rep. and 1 dem. would be ok these 2 worked together local people for the local man heck even wright a letter to obama not that he will actually reply on what he thought of the e-cig he recieved from the florida sennitor that sent him one anything or anyone just not mooore

[augie]

So he edits and slants his interviews and facts towards his agenda. Well FIRST off that is exactly what the FDA and current media coverage is doing to us NOW...
Second, that's exactly what WE are doing right now. Short of the fact that the contents of our carts have all been tested independent of each other and found to be safe for human consumption, it still does NOT change the fact that the long term effects of these components in conjunction with each other IS NOT YET known and HAS NOT been tested. I know there are independent studies, but they are not long term. All we really know as of know is that we feel much better, much healthier then when we used traditional cigarettes. As passionate as I feel about this product, it does not change the fact that until science proves their safety, I have to consider the fact that they are NOT.

Also if he has infact "lost most, if not all credibility" then why does he continue to have his movies released?

Please try to remember that ANYONE that questions and ideal or opinion that happens to differ from your own, must be lying or slanting the truth. This is pretty much how the ego works. It tricks you into believing that the other party must be using tricks in order to have shot holes in your beliefs. Have a look at creationists if you would like a good example.
***Sorry if that offended any creationists in the room, I just needed a blunt example.***

Now back on point. If Mike has the ability to do ANYTHING, it is to get people talking. This is something we are lacking. People ARE NOT TALKING. Hell most people are not aware that the issue even exists. Do you honestly feel that the members of this board even represent as much as a pen head in size, compared to the national population? We have to put aside personal politics if we are ever going to change anything. If in fact you will walk away if he decides to represent this cause; I say, Piss off and there is the door, if your not helping your hindering.

So with that said, please explain again how a man with as much media exposure as Mr Moore, could be a bad thing for our cause.

ok so apparently I've struck a nerve with a few people...

[augie]

you want coverage forget MM he is out for the $$$ we need regular congress men 1 rep. and 1 dem. would be ok these 2 worked together local people for the local man heck even wright a letter to obama not that he will actually reply on what he thought of the e-cig he recieved from the florida sennitor that sent him one anything or anyone just not mooore

I was not aware President Obama received one from a Florida Senator when was this?

[palermo45]

you want coverage forget MM he is out for the $$$ we need regular congress men 1 rep. and 1 dem. would be ok these 2 worked together local people for the local man heck even wright a letter to obama not that he will actually reply on what he thought of the e-cig he recieved from the florida sennitor that sent him one anything or anyone just not mooore

Oh yeah,, democrats and republicans working together. Thats what we need! lol,,, They are all a bunch of inept morons! What makes you think they would give a rats a** about e-cigs unless we were lining their pockets??? The problem here is mere ignorance!
The general public believes anything the FDA tells them and the news will not give anyone (so far) enough importance to do a balanced story on this. However if someone like MM did a story on the corrupt FDA, it would get some people thinking, especially if he included the views of many Physicians who believe the e-cig to be much safer than regular cigarettes. There are tons of Doctors who are very happy with the e-cig but the trick is generating that news and actual fact to the masses and you just can't do that without a strong voice.

[ritalin]

you want coverage forget MM he is out for the $$$ we need regular congress men 1 rep. and 1 dem. would be ok these 2 worked together local people for the local man heck even wright a letter to obama not that he will actually reply on what he thought of the e-cig he recieved from the florida sennitor that sent him one anything or anyone just not mooore

I think you just missed my entire point. Most of this country does not follow politics and with good reason. If we have the public opinion on our side then the politicians will follow, you can bet on that. Unfortunately it does work the other way around and as of right now that is working against us.

Why do people always seem to assume that if they do not agree with the views of one man then surely the vast majority feels the same?
As stated before, STOP BRINGING PERSONAL POLITICS TO THE TABLE. It just does nothing but divide our cause.

[Bandit]

Also if he has infact "lost most, if not all credibility" then why does he continue to have his movies released?

You are confusing business with "rights of the people" campaigning.

Film studios don't care what MM has to say just so long as it is controversial enough to sell movie tickets and make DVD sales.

It doesn't mean that MM is actually making a positive effect on anything he comments on, he just sensationalizes the issue, making it entertaining enough to sell tickets.

[augie]

You are confusing business with "rights of the people" campaigning.

Film studios don't care what MM has to say just so long as it is controversial enough to sell movie tickets and make DVD sales.

It doesn't mean that MM is actually making a positive effect on anything he comments on, he just sensationalizes the issue, making it entertaining enough to sell tickets.

but like ritalin said earlier, maybe that would get the public enough knowledge to start talking.

[ritalin]

You are confusing business with "rights of the people" campaigning.

Film studios don't care what MM has to say just so long as it is controversial enough to sell movie tickets and make DVD sales.

It doesn't mean that MM is actually making a positive effect on anything he comments on, he just sensationalizes the issue, making it entertaining enough to sell tickets.

BINGO!!!! Congrats Sir you win a big stuffed e-cigarette.
That's my whole damn point! I see that you didn't actually answer my question (must have a hatred hard-on for MM), but that's ok. I don't know if you have realized but this "Entertainment" that you speak of is where most Americans draw their opinions and ideals from. Hell, I dare you to say that most of our News outlets are anything more then "Entertainment" today.

I am not saying that MM is the end all be all here. I am saying that ANYONE that holds the limelight and can get our cause out there is fine by me.

I await your response Sir.

[augie]

this is an interesting debate