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    I wish I could help!
    But, I live in Canada!
    Any chance they WOULDN'T know where you lived if you simply fired off an email? I think everyone here is 100% on the mark, they're bloody POSITIVE there's absolutely NO tobacco products in an e-cig! It's all about the taxes on their BLOOD MONEY!!
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    o.k. I wrote a letter to three senators and a congressman, what's next? Do I write the Gov. too?

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    I did all 3
    Added in I was looking into moving to sacramento & if this bill passes I will be looking to move out of the country...
    The government don't care about the people.. They only care about lining there pocket. & it has been proven many times over.

    Grandfather & I and a few others I know in california Looking to support another country.

    Hopes that isn't out of line HAHA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuya Dave View Post
    I did all 3
    Added in I was looking into moving to sacramento & if this bill passes I will be looking to move out of the country...
    The government don't care about the people.. They only care about lining there pocket. & it has been proven many times over.

    Grandfather & I and a few others I know in california Looking to support another country.

    Hopes that isn't out of line HAHA
    not at all: My husband and I are leaving California as soon as we can get our junk together (not that the threat of a ban on e-cigs won't probably follow us anyway until the government can find a way to make money off of it)
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    Rosa I agree with you there.
    Its not that I hate this place. Its I hate our government ruining our country.
    I can't blame voters or non voters Because it is beyond the people's Control of what happens.

    I never looked into the UK..
    Ive looked into Philippines mexico & a few others.

    Just trying to find a way to get gramps to move to philippines is the biggest challenge. I will try to move to sac or someplace out of state.
    Get my fiance here from Philippines then After she gets her citizenship Most likely leave here.

    Life may be poor in the philippines But the People are wonderful & Very Great.
    need a lending hand You can trade there easier then here. Earn respect easier. And be trusted easier.
    These are from my experiences there. Get treated like a person not like trash.

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    Why all the hate for e-cigs by big brother? Are the cancer, I mean tobacco companies, lobbying against e cigs? Are they afraid of losing customers?
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    thats exactly it.

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    every single person that votes yes to pass any off these bills is a murderer.

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    so what are the emial address to each office?

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    Here is some food for thought. Some really good stuff to read. Don't know if it will help anything but I as well am from Canada but would like to help stop these people with there fight.

    "Can Electronic Cigarette’s help fight pneumonia, influenza and other respiratory diseases?
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    Medicine Report: Possible Air Germicide


    Monday Nov. 16, 1942

    A powerful preventive against pneumonia, influenza and other respiratory diseases may be promised by a brilliant series of experiments conducted during the last three years at the University of Chicago’s Billings Hospital. Dr. Oswald Hope Robertson last week was making final tests with a new germicidal vapor—propylene glycol—to sterilize air.



    If the results so far obtained are confirmed, one of the age-old searches of man will finally achieve its goal.
    The idea of sterilizing the air is not new —London’s great fire of 1666, for example, was touched off by the countless fires which townsmen lit to purge the air of plague. Use of chemical sprays to control air contamination was first attempted in 1928 by three doctors who tried a fine mist of sea water containing sodium hypochlorite.

    This venture gave promising results, but all such research lapsed for another decade. Within the last few years, several research groups (notably the University of Pennsylvania’s new Air-Borne Disease Laboratories) again began testing various sprays. Many chemicals were found to kill airborne micro-organisms quickly, even in concentrations as low as one gram of chemical per 500 cu. ft. of air.

    Trouble was that all these air germicides smelled bad, or were toxic, or irritated the respiratory tract. Dr. Robertson’s propylene glycol vapor is odorless, tasteless, nontoxic, non-irritating, cheap, highly bactericidal.

    Its discovery was accidental. Dr. Robertson and his colleagues were trying out another possible germicide—a detergent or “soapless soap” (similar to Dreft, Aerosol and other products widely sold for household and industrial use). Water solutions of the detergent were only mildly effective, so the researchers tried solutions of detergents in propylene glycol, which is a sort of thin glycerine.

    Results were much better. Then the researchers found that the propylene glycol itself was a potent germicide. One part of glycol in 2,000,000 parts of air would—within a few seconds—kill concentrations of air-suspended pneumococci, streptococci and other bacteria numbering millions to the cubic foot.

    How did it work? Respiratory disease bacteria float about in tiny droplets of water breathed, sneezed and coughed from human beings. The germicidal glycol also floats in infinitesimally small particles.

    Calculations showed that if droplet had to hit droplet, it would take two to 200 hours for sterilization of sprayed air to take place. Since sterilization took place in seconds, Dr. Robertson concluded that the glycol droplets must give off gas molecules which dissolve in the water droplets and kill the germs within them.

    Dr. Robertson placed groups of mice in a chamber and sprayed its air first with propylene glycol, then with influenza virus. All the mice lived. Then he sprayed the chamber with virus alone. All the mice died.

    Propylene glycol is harmless to man when swallowed or injected into the veins. It is also harmless to mice who have breathed it for long periods. But medical science is cautious—there was still a remote chance that glycol might accumulate harmfully in the erect human lungs which, unlike those of mice, do not drain themselves.

    So last June Dr. Robertson began studying the effect of glycol vapor on monkeys imported from the University of Puerto Rico’s School of Tropical Medicine. So far, after many months’ exposure to the vapor, the monkeys are happy and fatter than ever. Dr. Robertson does not expect mankind to live, like his monkeys, continuously in an atmosphere of glycol vapor; but it should be most valuable in such crowded places as schools and theaters, where most respiratory diseases are picked up.





    Below is the conclusion of the above tests conducted.


    Tests for the Chronic Toxicity of Propylene Glycol (Glycerin) and Triethylene Glycol on Monkeys and Rats by Vapor Inhalation and Oral Administration


    1 From the Department of Medicine, the Douglas Smith Foundation for Medical Research and the Bartlett Memorial Fund of the University of Chicago and the Commission on Air-Borne Infections, U. S. Army Epidemiological Board

    With a view to determining the safety of employing the vapors of propylene glycol and triethylene glycol in atmospheres inhabited by human beings, monkeys and rats were exposed continuously to high concentrations of these vapors for periods of 12 to 18 months.

    Equal numbers of control animals were maintained under physically similar conditions. Long term tests of the effects on ingesting triethylene glycol were also carried out. The doses administered represented 50 to 700 times the amount of glycol the animal could absorb by breathing air saturated with the glycol.

    Comparative observations on the growth rates, blood counts, urine examinations, kidney function tests, fertility and general condition of the test and control groups, exhibited no essential differences between them with the exception that the rats in the glycol atmospheres exhibited consistently higher weight gains.

    Some drying of the skin of the monkeys’ faces occurred after several months continuous exposure to a heavy fog of triethylene glycol. However, when the vapor concentration was maintained just below saturation by means of the glycostat this effect did not occur.

    Examination at autopsy likewise failed to reveal any differences between the animals kept in glycolized air and those living in the ordinary room atmosphere. Extensive histological study of the lungs was made to ascertain whether the glycol had produced any generalized or local irritation. None was found. The kidneys, liver, spleen and bone marrow also were normal.

    The results of these experiments in conjunction with the absence of any observed ill effects in patients exposed to both triethylene glycol and propylene glycol vapors for months at a time, provide assurance that air containing these vapors in amounts up to the saturation point is completely harmless.
    Submitted on June 4, 1947"

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