Someone explain to me

[Drozd]

honestly I really don't think that the FDA is the problem...I think their strings are being pulled not only by the 3 letter suites...but by the CDC as well....it's the CDC that's really calling for and pushing for the eradication of tobacco use..
if you actually go to the FDA site their report and teleconference for the media...it's the CDC spokesperson that appears to be pushing the movement....and any of the tobacco control and anti smoking stuff when you did it's the CDC that's calling for the level of spending for the states for anti smoking measures..

[lonercom]

Don't get me wrong, I know that companies frequently have their rights to commercial speech abridged by the FDA and other agencies to the point where they can't even say things that are true. However, "E-cigarettes have not been proven to be safer than cigarettes" is patently FALSE. There is plenty of proof that tar and carbon monoxide are responsible for the overwhelming majority of health issues attributed to smoking, so even if there is some unforeseen long term effects of e-cig use making them not completely SAFE, there is no shortage of "proof" that electronic cigarettes are safer than smoking.

On the other hand, I am not aware of any evidence showing that Chantix is safer than cigarettes.

I don't disagree with you Thulium and I'm not offering this as exact verbiage either. Just a thought. It could say "...proven to the FDA that..." or "The FDA has not yet verified that Electronic Cigarettes..."

I'm saying that we just need to find a way to keep our lifelines and keep the FDA happy at the same time.

[Webby]

I'm saying that we just need to find a way to keep our lifelines and keep the FDA happy at the same time.

If only that were so easy a salvagable effort. I'm afraid the good ship "Getalong" sailed back when SE and Njoy got into their spitting contest with the FDA, the manufacturers wouldn't divulge their seven herbs and spices and several resellers touted "happy-happy joy-joy" health claims.

Accusations, page one - retraction, page 27-D. That's the battle we're fighting now. Our best weapon is education and word of mouth.

[Thulium]

Perhaps the label should say:

According to the United States Food & Drug Administration, the complete absence of carbon monoxide, tars and toxic or carcinogenic levels of any other ingredient is not a safe alternative to smoking cigarettes.

[HKholer]

Perhaps the label should say:

According to the United States Food & Drug Administration, the complete absence of carbon monoxide, tars and toxic or carcinogenic levels of any other ingredient is not a safe alternative to smoking cigarettes.

I REALLY like that!

[kristin]

Or how about:

"Well-documented and peer-reviewed studies show that tobacco smoke contains toxic levels of chemicals and carcinogens and that nicotine use, absent the smoke, does not cause cancer and rarely has serious side effects. Removing the smoke from the nicotine would eliminate up to 99% of the health hazards to humans. The FDA approves the use of certain nicotine products that don't produce smoke. Electronic cigarettes contain nicotine but do not produce smoke."

[lonercom]

Whatever can be agreed on as an industry. I don't think that the "Good Ship Getalong" has sailed. Maybe for those 2 companies. The meeting in England gives me great hope as they work to find a mutually agreeable solution. It's a step in the right direction and can influence things in the US.

One thing that I think continues to be detrimental to our effort are all of the ridiculous press releases that some manufacturers and distributors put out every day touting health benefits, etc.

I think that we need a cohesive group that represents the manufacturers and distributors as an industry. If such a group exists, they are our best hope. But the industry needs to support it and agree to abide by it's negotiations. If such a group already exists, I may not be aware of it.

CASA is a great grass roots organization that represents us as vapers. Once again, thanks for everything you do.

[CJsKee]

loner--that was the purpose of ECA...to represent the industry. But with its high membership fees and the fact that it is controlled by NJoy, it's not IMO a good representative.

ETA: ECA has a forum here in the campaigning section.

[lonercom]

Visited a few of the member websites and did see some disclaimers similar to what I had been talking about.

I'm gonna get out of this discussion because I make a much better smartazz and enjoy it too much. In that spirit, here's my parting shot...

If the ECF doesnt represent the interests of the entire industry, then it's time to start one that will.

Peace

[bassnut]

lonercom.
Perhaps you would explain your precise situation and point of view to the rest of us. I know that you're replying to members who know you but this is a more general, open forum than ECA, and the rest of us (well...me at least) might like to know where you're coming from.
Are you the vendor who specializes in Kiosk sales?
Regardless, I'd like to hear you out.