my children are killed by lack of knowledge

**TropicalBob** · 05-01-2009, 07:04 PM

Lu, for what it's worth, I have two bottles of 48mg enroute to me. After the FDA press conference next Tuesday, there will likely be many e-smokers who wish they had a supply of really strong nicotine liquid to cut with VG and Bickford flavor. Let's see how long we can make it last, remain satisfied, and watch the fallout from the FDA's ban on all things e-smoking.

**ZambucaLu** · 05-01-2009, 07:15 PM

Originally Posted by TropicalBob

Lu, for what it's worth, I have two bottles of 48mg enroute to me. After the FDA press conference next Tuesday, there will likely be many e-smokers who wish they had a supply of really strong nicotine liquid to cut with VG and Bickford flavor. Let's see how long we can make it last, remain satisfied, and watch the fallout from the FDA's ban on all things e-smoking.

Well, this will all be interesting....that's for sure! And I'll be really curious what you think about the 48....mixing and/or not. Let us know!

Lu

**TDM** · 05-01-2009, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by dopple

ah ok i didnt know you were runnin a reefer..

Nope dry box but have a refridgerator in truck

**MoonMan** · 05-01-2009, 07:42 PM

Seems to be a lot of knee-jerk overreaction in here. If people WANT a 48mg to mix, who are we to say "OH NO THAT'S BAD YOU CAN'T HAVE THAT YOU CAN'T SELL THAT ETC, ETC".

Anyone seeking out something this strong will undoubtedly know the risks. You can buy all kinds of stuff on the internet that will kill you if used incorrectly, but we don't flame them. Why flame this guy who is offering us something useful?

As long as there's a warning on the bottle and site to not vape it straight, that's all that should really be required. Calling for his banning and sales to be stopped is mind-numbingly naive, stupid, and pointlessly alarmist.

In other words, mind your own business and quit trying to be a cybernanny.

**Smokingfreely** · 05-01-2009, 07:55 PM

My complaint was simply based on this product adding fuel to the naysayrs' fire. Nothing more than that.

I agree that he should be able to sell whatever he wants, but right now, I think we ought to be focused on gaining favorable public opinion. Seliing a product that more than doubles the patch's upper limit does not lend itself to being considered a "safe" alternative!

Anyways, the word is out, so now he'll sell the product, but it's also not advertised anymore, as far as I'm concerned, everybody won, as long as we get this thread closed.

**Elendil** · 05-01-2009, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by Smokingfreely

Anyways, the word is out, so now he'll sell the product, but it's also not advertised anymore, as far as I'm concerned, everybody won, as long as we get this thread closed.

So, as long as there is a "little bit" of free speech, but not too much.......that is OK..........

**MoonMan** · 05-01-2009, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by Elendil

So, as long as there is a "little bit" of free speech, but not too much.......that is OK..........

Indeed.

Make sure this evil guy is never heard from again.

He should be able to advertise it all he likes, although I do somewhat agree that making it a "behind the counter" type of item is probably a good idea. If people want it, they should have to ask and not just be able to namelessly click "buy".

**Idahojo** · 05-01-2009, 08:43 PM

Well I read this thread last night and was extremely saddened by it. This supplier did not deserve to be treated like this. He did nothing wrong. He was offering a product his customers had asked for. Nothing more than what the other suppliers on this forum do for their customers. I am going to purchase this 48mg if possible because I've started mixing my own and this offers a cheaper way to get more bang for my buck. I am a responsible adult and will assume the dangers inherently involved. The same way I assume the dangers when I bring Clorox, Comet, weed killer, bug repellants, fertilizers, etc. into my home. I highly doubt this juice will make the FDA come after us any faster than what they originally planned on doing. I think we should apologize to this supplier. We are a better group of people than this.

**TDM** · 05-01-2009, 09:17 PM

Originally Posted by Idahojo

Well I read this thread last night and was extremely saddened by it. This supplier did not deserve to be treated like this. He did nothing wrong. He was offering a product his customers had asked for. Nothing more than what the other suppliers on this forum do for their customers. I am going to purchase this 48mg if possible because I've started mixing my own and this offers a cheaper way to get more bang for my buck. I am a responsible adult and will assume the dangers inherently involved. The same way I assume the dangers when I bring Clorox, Comet, weed killer, bug repellants, fertilizers, etc. into my home. I highly doubt this juice will make the FDA come after us any faster than what they originally planned on doing. I think we should apologize to this supplier. We are a better group of people than this.

What has me baffled is this. If people are worried about the level of nicotine taken in, then why we constantly looking for bigger and better?? The screwdriver, Zi Moshi, etc. all advertise high volumes of vapor! Don't get me wrong I just bought a Zi Moshi and wouldnt give it up for anything! BUT, Isnt the increased vapor increasing the nicotine that we are taking in on a daily basis??