Wow, 48mg unflavoured

[RjG]

OMG 16 pages now... are you kidding?

I apologize to trintek on behalf of those who didn't attack him, some vocal opinions do NOT reflect everyone on this forum.

Before anyone get's even further into attack mode, please consider:

If you just puffed 5 times instead of 4 on your 36mg, you just did the equiv. of 48

If you're having a stressful day and find yourself puffing away twice as much on your 24, you just did the equiv. of 48.

Further:
If you use a SCREWDRIVER, or GG, an RN cigar, or virtually ANY mod with 24, you are effectively vaping the equivalent of 48 already. Twice as much vapor, do the math.
Nobody is screaming about that. Use a Screwdriver with 36, and you're doing 72.

And
If you're dumb enough to leave your liquid out for your three year old, 24mg will do them in just as fast as 48.
There is no such thing as "less dead"

Same with "OMG, the *liability*".
What - EXACTLY- is the friggin difference with the liability of 36 vs 48???
Same comment as previous. There is no such thing as "less dead"

Regarding "what if the FDA sees 48 for sale" Wow, if you think the FDA is going to think 24 or 36 is somehow "safe" and 48 isn't - grab a reality check. That battle is a bit more of an "all or nothing" plan.

And WTF is with kick him off the forum?? Well you better kick off every modder, IMEO, Puremoker, Nico... well - pretty much anyone selling or posting info to build their own cig, since they are all VERY capable or producing EQUAL if not MORE nicotine in a puff, with regular juice, than this guy's 48mg.

Vaping nicotine requires a tiny bit of intelligence all on it's own, regardless of strength. You don't ban CARS that go faster than 65MPH do you? Or ban knives that are TOO sharp? Booze that's 80 proof? Because that would be dumb. All those things CAN kill you. But people have enough common sense to not kill themselves with any of 100 things they do every day, it's part of being an adult.

Good grief. Way to chase what appears to be a real friendly guy away.
Could some of you possibly have been any less welcoming.

Given the current situation with e-cigs, I have no love for any group of people who think it's their responsibility to protect me.
So if you have some deep driven desire to "protect" other full grown adults from purchasing what they want to vape, you should go work for FDA. Don't be surprised when 36, 24, and 16 is taken away too.

Seriously, if you don't like 48mg, don't order it. I won't be. Grow up.

It that harsh of me to say? I suppose. Sorry if it offends you.
It's not directed at anyone in particular, just the general attitude on this thread.
My intention is to jolt some of you into thinking a tiny bit and
using some common sense before flying off the handle like this, that's all.

[sMuCk_fOg]

[quote=ArizonaVapin;314516]
You might be confusing the "buzz" that you felt from the analog with dizziness from carbon monoxide.
and never feel anything (besides the inhaled warmth)

If it's carbon monoxide that is that wonderful creeping fullheaded full body buzzing warming extatic fluid filled nirvana,
then I'm going to hook a hose up to my cars exhaust and run it into the front seat. just KIDDING! but MAN do I LOVE Carbon Monoxide!

[DavAth_Dionysus]

Somebody is bound to vape that 48 straight and end up seriously ill. It reminds me of someone here a while ago who ended up at the hospital because of vaping 36 when they were used to low nic cigs.

someone on the thread allready tried it and she was fine

[Kate]

Yea, I noticed that, it's good news. Not everyone has the same tolerance for nicotine so I'm pretty sure not everyone will be so lucky.

We really need more awareness of our own tolerances and accurate information on how vaping affects us chemically. We may be familiar with what a safe dose is with other delivery systems but we're still guinea pigs with this one. I just hope folk will take the seller's advice and be careful.

[Txrider]

No doubt that when vaping becomes accepted it will be conditional on low nicotine availability in the way NRTs are tamper proof and low dose.

Last I checked I could stick as many patches on my body as I have bare skin, or chew an entire mouth full of gum, or lozenges.. All over the counter. And they aren't that low dose.

Even worse with patches you can take in a higher dose before you know it, as the effects of the dose lag far behind the actual intake.

I do think that some of us may be developing high tolerance because of vaping and that in itself is a new and potentially controversial issue with the habit.

Surely, just as some develop a high tolerance for analogs, and go to 2, 3 or 4 packs a day. Same for smokeless.

I've been smoking for 35 years, 18mg doesn't cut it. 36mg is perfect for me. I'd vape 48 straight, it would just take me less puffs. I puff only until my analog urge fades, and with 18 that had me vaping more then my little mini batteries could handle.

Now even 36mg is being discontinued, having to stock up 400ml before stocks run out sux.

[K_to_the_L]

[quote=ISAWHIM;253433]If you are all wondering... What would happen if you consumed a whole 10ml bottle of 48mg solution...

Nicotine, when consumed in a lethal dose, will not offer time for reaction. By the time it has been consumed in a lethal quantity, the results will be immediate and irreversible.

Only "Mild OD", which is only "Potentially lethal acute poisoning", if left untreated... will offer time to react in a corrective action. Untreated, it will result in a long slow death, messy and painful.

If you swallowed all 10ml of 48mg solution, thus ingesting 480mg... You would first gag, followed by heavy bowel and bladder discharge, followed by a heart-attack, followed by convulsing on the floor while your nerves become saturated in signals as your heart pumps full-speed and your neurological chemistry slides into overdrive. Ultimately unable to take a full breath, your heart will eventually run-out of oxygenated blood to deliver throughout your body, and you will die. Just like a rat./quote]

you are the guy that i needed to speak with before i started smoking ( age 5-6 ) 35 yrs ago. its like "scared straight" for e-smokers.

when i started for the first month i had been vaping about 1ml a day of the super high 36mg menthol from TW the second month i started to cut it down with Humco glycerin from warmart and add some flavors ( which i tend to believe end up clogging the atomizers over time could be wrong tho ) its been a stretch tho.. every so often i just take a few direct drops when i am not getting enough menthol which i think is really the key to it all for me. i ordered menthol drops and 1/4 oz of pure crystals ( which i LOVE ! ) for now i am mostly using the drops which are VERY very strong and being very careful not to overdo it ( so easy to do lol ) i tend to think i could use a lower nicotine level but it also seems like when i cut it i tend to vape more and get less satisfaction out of it. ( if that doesnt sound too too crazy ? ) maybe i am imagining it but i have a feeling i could go to a much lower amount if i upped the menthol properly. i guess only the future will tell ... i got some ecopure on the way in hopes of livening things up some you dont think i am over doing it do you ? i mean i smoked menthol light 100's a pack a day previously

[AngeLsLuv]

I'll buy it, but I'm meticulous about cutting... At 36mg I don't have any side effects, but maybe that is because I smoked for 32 years, who knows.. I do know that I don't vape 36 constantly though since I cut it...

[AngeLsLuv]

I think you might be wise to get legal advice Trintek, we're just a bunch of loud mouths on the internet and can't really give you reliable advice.

If you're selling something illegal, dangerous, uninsurable, or whatever then you really need professional advice on what to do.

If a child gets a half ml of that on their tongue somehow then theoretically it will kill them. Accidents do happen so make sure you're covered.

I understand why you would feel that way about a child getting their hands on it, but that is not the reposibility of the seller, it's the parents and/or whomever is watching them.. I'd think that if you had children, you would put the bottles in a child-proof medicine bottle or where they would have no way of reaching it...

[Laramie]

New member, new vaper, just got my 510 today. Read this thread pretty much through and I'm alarmed and disappointed at the reactivity voiced here. This is for adults and adults are responsible for their actions and choices. It smacks of the same flavor the FDA uses, alarmist statements unsupported by data. Someone said that if you drank(!) 10ml of 48mg you would die(horribly) and quickly. Just so, if one drank 20ml of 24mg their tomorrows would be just as ended. I was raised to be an adult and have been around more than a half century and never choose to be a part of the over-excited and under-informed. Be responsible to, and for, yourself and your loved ones.
Happy Vaping!

[ladybug]

I think most people would be smart enough not to even order this, but you never know.

I order 48 mg regular from nhaler,its not going to kill you,and helps keep me from regular smokes! I love my 48 mg,and I think each to his own poisen Do not deny me what I want,and I will not force you to use 48 mg. If you want it,buy it,if not,leave it alone,its that simple.