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    So ... if it is deemed as evil as cigarettes, and a ban is put in effect, where do vapers go to vape? Are we to go to the designated smoking areas?
    Will we be forced to breath the same smoke we've come to hate, if we are to be lumped in with smokers?
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    I vape at home, when I'm outside perhaps walking down the street or at work. At home, I vape inside sometimes when I would only smoke outside. Walking down the street I'd normally be smoking anyways and at work, I vape outside with the other smokers and vapers. I'd love it if I could vape inside but then I would have to find some other excuse to leave my desk frequently because I'm bored out of my skull.

    Other than in my own place, I don't vape where I wouldn't smoke. However, I did vape without the guilt at a Starbucks today... Outside on the patio where pre-vaping and by-laws aside I would have ignored any dirty looks, no smoking signs and lit up anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vincom View Post
    afaik toronto might be the only city to treat vaping as to smoking analogues, feel free to correct me if im wrong
    The story on CityTv stated that two cities (Red Deer and ???) already had imposed cigarette style vaping restrictions.

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    Sounds like it's going to happen.

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    CTV's Canada AM had a so-called "expert" on this morning, Monica Sarkar, from the Ontario Lung Association, who stated that 15% of young people are trying e-cigarettes. I have no idea where she is getting this information (pulling it out of her butt?), but I was yelling at my TV this morning, listening to her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RebeccaX View Post
    stated that 15% of young people are trying e-cigarettes. I have no idea where she is getting this information (pulling it out of her butt?
    We need to ask better questions. Its not where she pulled the numbers from, But:
    1. What is the sample size? Anything fewer than 2500 is too few.
    2. How many of these kids had smoked analogs? (I'll bet over 90%)
    3. How many smoked analogs first?
    4. What is the error rate?
    5. Was there any surveyors bias? (Give me any answer you want and I can design a questionnaire which will produce the desired effect)
    6. What other sampling errors are there?

    There are a lot of legitimate ways to disqualify these random studies. If these details are not mentioned without being asked that most likely hints at the error rate being extremely high, probabilistically speaking.

    Most live news segments, reporters etc. take questions on Twitter. Direct all responses to them, it reduces the chances of getting into flame wars with people who know little but want a say.

    Create enough noise on twitter and we will be heard.

    That said:

    I was at a convenience store a few weeks ago that I visited often when I used analogs. Was surprised to see he had some brands of disposable ecigs on display. Spoke to him, he had 'em for quite a few months maybe longer. Here's the kicker though, he did not quite know what they were.

    There were no warnings on the box, he was unaware that they contained nicotine. He is not dim either. He was immediately concerned as he did not know if he sold 'em to the younger folks, he discarded them immediately.

    There are some concerns here. Some of these need to be fixed asap. Unfortunately a handful of people (albeit very small) trying to capitalize on the vaping opportunities are doing stupid things because of the lack of regulations.

    I do not want regulations, but when stupid people do stupid things, I am forced to step back and ask is this what is needed?
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    The biggest problem I have with that "report" is the way they go on about kids using them. Kids will get into booze as well, but that isn't mentioned as it would undermine their fear mongering report. I agree some regulation is welcome and warranted, but an outright ban because it "normalizes smoking behaviors" and "is a gateway to "real" tobacco products" is bogus. As far as the "heated propylene glycol turns into formaldehyde" statement, how high does the temp have to be, and how much is created? Same thing for the other contaminates found, mainly, how many ppm compared to an analog? These are things not being reported, and no sources of research are given, just the "BAN IT! SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN" (aka, I don't like it, so nobody else should either) reaction. It's all about the $$$.
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    can we start an email campaign to the person inhead of the toronto health board and the ontario miinstry of health
    whos onboard......and what are their email addresses
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    I voted, but I think it's a skewed poll.

    Option 1: Yes, I'm worried about them being used where cigarettes aren't allowed.
    Well, not really. I don't mind if people don't want us vaping in certain areas, but it's O.K. if they allow it.

    Option 2: No, I believe they're safe and don't want to mix e-cigarette smokers with tobacco smokers.
    (I voted for this one.) While not proven 100% save, I believe they're 99.9% safer than analogs. Being segregated into the smoking section won't help keep us off.
    IM(nsh)O, the idea is to do just that. Get us back on analogs so they can alienate us and tax the life out of us.
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