No rights even in your own home

[illandreth]

Read this on CTV webpage today. Is this Canada's version of ASH?

CTV News | Health unit pushes for apartment, condo smoking ban

The health unit wants the province to enact legislation that protects residents in multi-unit dwellings from exposure to second-hand smoke

Why do smokers pay taxes.....way MORE taxes than non-smokers when we obviously have no rights and we're just paying to help those persecuting us.

[props76]

Remember we don't smoke anymore. YAH. Don't have to worry about that BS.

I owed a shop where we all smoked. Those smoking laws came in, we just ignored them. How are they going to prove to are smoking in your apartment?

Yeah another stupid law that really isn't enforceable. From cell phones driving, to going to fast they steal your car, to the guy caught smoking in his truck, to losing your licence at .05 when you aren't even legally drunk. The stupidity is unreal. The only good thing is there are so many of these stupid laws, its going to be impossible to enforce them all.

[illandreth]

Originally Posted by props76

Remember we don't smoke anymore. YAH. Don't have to worry about that BS.

Actualy we do need to worry as this is merely another example of the rights being taken away from everybody, just more obvious with smokers.

Even though if you have changed strictly to vaping rathing than smoking, this still affects us. Right now what we are doing with vaping is illegal, since it is illegal to import electronic cigarettes as per Health Canada, and there are no e-cigs manifactured in Canada we are all guilty. We have had the right to legaly Vape taken away from us, the article linked is just another example of how our country is moving further and further away from being free.

[props76]

Originally Posted by illandreth

just another example of how our country is moving further and further away from being free.

You really thought you were free?

There is no such thing. Was I ever allowed to do hard drugs? Maybe I should be, and if I was free, it would be without question. I'd be harming no one except myself. But I'm sure your response to that will be, that's a dumb example, of course hard drugs should be illegal.

Right there my friend, you become no different to those that you speak ill of.

[Kempton]

I am pretty sure it is only e-juice with nicotine in it that is "illegal". The e-cig itself is fine and any "0" % nicotine e-juice is fine.

In Canada, compliance of electronic cigarette use with public smoking bans is currently under review.[17] In March 2009, Health Canada called for the immediate cessation of imports, sales, and advertising of electronic smoking products containing nicotine, and advised Canadians not to purchase or use any electronic smoking products. Under the Food and Drugs Act, electronic smoking products containing nicotine require market authorization before they can be imported, marketed, or sold. No market authorization has been granted for any electronic smoking product.[10]

You see that it states "containing" nicotine. So it is just the E-juice. And as I know quite a few "law" enforcment people who use these and their wives. I'm not too worried about "health Canada" kicking in my door.

Originally Posted by illandreth

Actualy we do need to worry as this is merely another example of the rights being taken away from everybody, just more obvious with smokers.

Even though if you have changed strictly to vaping rathing than smoking, this still affects us. Right now what we are doing with vaping is illegal, since it is illegal to import electronic cigarettes as per Health Canada, and there are no e-cigs manifactured in Canada we are all guilty. We have had the right to legaly Vape taken away from us, the article linked is just another example of how our country is moving further and further away from being free.

[illandreth]

Originally Posted by Kempton

I am pretty sure it is only e-juice with nicotine in it that is "illegal". The e-cig itself is fine and any "0" % nicotine e-juice is fine.

E-cigs without nicotine is useless for me. The whole point of me switching to e-cigs was to get the nicotine without all the tar, co2, 4000 chemicals etc. I won't used the "approved" NRTs as I have seen and heard of too many side effects. Zyban I cannot get based on medical history, Chantrix has that nifty suicidal side effect, as for the patch, my mother never had a heart problem until she went on the patch and it nearly killed her. Cleared up nicely after she went off the patch and back to smoking analogs....figure that.....

[Nuck]

Hopefully they would require science to back the proposal with studies showing cause and effect within the units. Of course, there is little hope this will be the case.

Props...analogies in any debate are worthless. Hard drugs are not a legal product.

illandreth, you are absolutely correct. The apathy of Canadians has resulted in an increasing erosion of personal freedoms over the past 50 years. Many think that if the issue doesn't directly impact them they don't need to worry about it. They're wrong.

[nojoyet]

Read this on CTV webpage today. Is this Canada's version of ASH?

Hi illandreth
My opinion, not necessarily fact, is that CTV have an anti-smoking bias. They have backed off considerably in recent months after a heap of enough already comments from viewers but it seems to be popping up again locally.

It comes in waves, like nausea.

There are very strong anti-smoking groups in this Country and presently much pressure to ban smoking in apts./condos and that is not all. Give anti-smoking, non-smokers rights, etc a Google or p.m. me and I'll find some links for you.

Hi Nuck
"The apathy of Canadians has resulted in an increasing erosion of personal freedoms over the past 50 years. Many think that if the issue doesn't directly impact them they don't need to worry about it. They're wrong."

You are very right and it is time we all smartened up!

Certainly impacted a wheelchair bound and blind 94 year old relative who lived for several years in a facility. Imagine making her wait for a push and then someone to reluctantly stay with her while they sat in an uncovered and unheated courtyard. At least that was private, I understand they now have to go out to the parking lot. This lovely person smoked for 74 years and amazingly had no smoking related illness but got more than her/anyone's share of smoking related punishment. IMHO that is targetting, cruel and certainly not in any way better for her health or her escorts' than allowing her a comfortable indoor space. In fairness, it was a very good facility.

[SquirrilahFish]

dont you guys have heroin clinics?

[props76]

Originally Posted by nojoyet

You are very right and it is time we all smartened up!

Its not us or "all" that need to smarten up, its the people who want to tell other people how to live their lives that need to smarten up.

MADD is a great example of just how stupid the do gooders are. Their ad where "my son was killed by drinking and driving" tear jerker, always turns out their son was tanked and drove off a bridge with their 5 friends in the car. The fact that they were well over the limit, and we have laws on the books for that right now, doesn't even stop them. How anyone with any self respect would do anything other than hide their face in shame is beyond me. Instead they look for pity, while pressuring for stupid laws, where now if I have a beer with dinner there is a realistic chance that although legal not drunk (under .08 but over .05) I'm going to get my car stolen by the police, license taken away without trial, and brutal insurance rates.

The stupidity here is beyond belief, as it is with all the non-smoking non-sense.
But to some people, being and idiot that organizes this stuff is not just a hobby, its their life, its what they are about, its the root of their sole. To fight this sort of moron you have to devote just as much effort at they do.

You can't possibly fight everyone of them.. You have to pick and choose your battles. To me, the apartment smoking ban is not enforceable. What are they going to do, send the police to kick your door down? So its best just to ignore.