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Hellen A. Handbasket · 09-06-2009, 08:42 PM

Just asking.

The Organza was most similar to the Lipton PTB, with the exception that it has come to light that Lipton uses PET plastic, and it has some health concerns, so I went with the Organza since the Lipton bags worked well.

Interesting that the Tulle works... I'll have to give it a try! I figured that the large open weave wouldn't hold liquid. Good to see another alternative.

buttercrunch · 09-06-2009, 08:50 PM

I'm using tulle,it's working great! but I will try organza also, to see which I prefer.

isande · 09-06-2009, 09:07 PM

My experiences so far:

Tulle:
Softer and springier, so less likely to get "mashed" by the atty.
Wicks better.
Requires more material to work properly.
Can be hard to work with.

Organza:
Easier to work with, particularly if you accordion-fold.
Requires less material.
Doesn't "spring back" as easily if mashed by the atty.

Both are cheap, cheap, cheap. I heartily recommend that anyone considering either buy a spool of both and see which one they like better.

--K

Porphy · 09-06-2009, 09:23 PM

In my experience fillers that "spring back" tend to be worse than ones that get mashed and hold the indent to "cup" the bridge. Anyone else notice this?

danielwow12 · 09-06-2009, 10:27 PM

I have encountered one problem. It may be because i'm still experimenting, but I noticed that I put just a bit too much liquid, it will flood the atty (because it is springy, keeps wicking).

isande · 09-06-2009, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danielwow12

I have encountered one problem. It may be because i'm still experimenting, but I noticed that I put just a bit too much liquid, it will flood the atty (because it is springy, keeps wicking).

You may not be using enough tulle if this happens... I do have to use a fair bit more of this than of the PTB or organza.

--K

danielwow12 · 09-06-2009, 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by isande

You may not be using enough tulle if this happens... I do have to use a fair bit more of this than of the PTB or organza.

--K

A-ha, yeah I'm trying rolling it up and folding it, so the folded end is at the opening of the cart. Is this what you do? I have it recessed a bit inside.

isande · 09-06-2009, 10:45 PM

I start with a piece about 3 1/2 inches long and 2 inches wide. I then roll it up and fold in half, then shred the unfolded end by making 3 or 4 cuts about half way up. Then I insert the folded end into the cart, all the way to the bottom. I usually need a toothpick to get it all the way down in there. I snip it off slightly *above* the end of the cart, allowing about 1/16th of an inch to extend from the end of the cart.

I've noticed if it's recessed at all, it's definitely easier to overfill and flood the atty.

--K

Pumaman · 09-07-2009, 01:50 AM

Based on the logic behind rhoneils Plug Mod (or rho mod) I reversed this and am having great luck. I picked up the Tulle today and am basically doing a fold in half carpet roll, but I am putting the cut side in the cartridge first and leaving the folded end to contact the atomizer. After reading rho's post, this makes all kinds of sense from a physics stand point. the fold in the material offers greater surface area to the liquid then the ends do, which makes more liquid stay at that end. This creates directional wicking towards the folded end. With the carpet roll, there remains a hole in the middle which facilitates filling and allows air to the opposite end while vaping. I pulled out the fill from my 510 after doing this, which had been filled with Ruyan vanilla which has a dark tint, and the cut end was pure white, all fluid had been wicked to the folded end. I am using the one fold carpet roll as opposed to the double fold on the end in the rho mod as the tulle isn't as easy to work with as the PTB, will try it both ways after I hunt down the Organza polyester.

rhoneil · 09-07-2009, 02:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pumaman

Based on the logic behind rhoneils Plug Mod (or rho mod) I reversed this and am having great luck. I picked up the Tulle today and am basically doing a fold in half carpet roll, but I am putting the cut side in the cartridge first and leaving the folded end to contact the atomizer. After reading rho's post, this makes all kinds of sense from a physics stand point. the fold in the material offers greater surface area to the liquid then the ends do, which makes more liquid stay at that end. This creates directional wicking towards the folded end. With the carpet roll, there remains a hole in the middle which facilitates filling and allows air to the opposite end while vaping. I pulled out the fill from my 510 after doing this, which had been filled with Ruyan vanilla which has a dark tint, and the cut end was pure white, all fluid had been wicked to the folded end. I am using the one fold carpet roll as opposed to the double fold on the end in the rho mod as the tulle isn't as easy to work with as the PTB, will try it both ways after I hunt down the Organza polyester.

This sounds great. Im really interested in how this works. The only reason we moved to the double fold was to prevent leaking. The double fold will bring more material in the fold using the same amount of material from the tea bag. But if you are able to cut the material to the size you want it would not be needed, we would not be limited to the half teabag we are using.

I hope this works, I may have to make a run to Michaels.

rho

09-06-2009, 08:42 PM	#11
Hellen A. Handbasket ECF Veteran Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Surprise, Arizona Posts: 888	Just asking. The Organza was most similar to the Lipton PTB, with the exception that it has come to light that Lipton uses PET plastic, and it has some health concerns, so I went with the Organza since the Lipton bags worked well. Interesting that the Tulle works... I'll have to give it a try! I figured that the large open weave wouldn't hold liquid. Good to see another alternative. __________________

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Porphy Audaces fortuna iuvat! Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: S. Korea Posts: 811 Tweet this post!	In my experience fillers that "spring back" tend to be worse than ones that get mashed and hold the indent to "cup" the bridge. Anyone else notice this? __________________ E-Cigarette Video Chat

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09-06-2009, 08:50 PM	#12
buttercrunch Super Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Oregon Posts: 347	I'm using tulle,it's working great! but I will try organza also, to see which I prefer.

09-06-2009, 09:07 PM	#13
isande Full Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 101	My experiences so far: Tulle: Softer and springier, so less likely to get "mashed" by the atty. Wicks better. Requires more material to work properly. Can be hard to work with. Organza: Easier to work with, particularly if you accordion-fold. Requires less material. Doesn't "spring back" as easily if mashed by the atty. Both are cheap, cheap, cheap. I heartily recommend that anyone considering either buy a spool of both and see which one they like better. --K

09-06-2009, 10:27 PM	#15
danielwow12 Full Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 69 Tweet this post!	I have encountered one problem. It may be because i'm still experimenting, but I noticed that I put just a bit too much liquid, it will flood the atty (because it is springy, keeps wicking).

09-06-2009, 10:45 PM	#18
isande Full Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Posts: 101	I start with a piece about 3 1/2 inches long and 2 inches wide. I then roll it up and fold in half, then shred the unfolded end by making 3 or 4 cuts about half way up. Then I insert the folded end into the cart, all the way to the bottom. I usually need a toothpick to get it all the way down in there. I snip it off slightly above the end of the cart, allowing about 1/16th of an inch to extend from the end of the cart. I've noticed if it's recessed at all, it's definitely easier to overfill and flood the atty. --K

09-07-2009, 01:50 AM	#19
Pumaman Full Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 105	Based on the logic behind rhoneils Plug Mod (or rho mod) I reversed this and am having great luck. I picked up the Tulle today and am basically doing a fold in half carpet roll, but I am putting the cut side in the cartridge first and leaving the folded end to contact the atomizer. After reading rho's post, this makes all kinds of sense from a physics stand point. the fold in the material offers greater surface area to the liquid then the ends do, which makes more liquid stay at that end. This creates directional wicking towards the folded end. With the carpet roll, there remains a hole in the middle which facilitates filling and allows air to the opposite end while vaping. I pulled out the fill from my 510 after doing this, which had been filled with Ruyan vanilla which has a dark tint, and the cut end was pure white, all fluid had been wicked to the folded end. I am using the one fold carpet roll as opposed to the double fold on the end in the rho mod as the tulle isn't as easy to work with as the PTB, will try it both ways after I hunt down the Organza polyester.