CASAA | Gulf Coast Concert

**halfevildruid** · 10-28-2009, 08:49 AM

The AHA is one of the groups calling for ban. According to this article

The.irrational.war on.electronic cigarettes. - By William Saletan - Slate Magazine

**CHUCKLEHEAD** · 10-28-2009, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by Territoo

How about the American Heart Association? Many smoker die of cardiovascular disease, possibly more than die of cancer. AHA has not to my knowledge spoken against e-cigs. If someone knows otherwise, let me know.

I for sure will make every conceivable effort to attend.

Don;t think so?????? seeing that nicotine has been proven to constrict arteries!!!!!!!!!

**Territoo** · 10-28-2009, 11:43 PM

Originally Posted by halfevildruid

The AHA is one of the groups calling for ban. According to this article

The*irrational*war on*electronic cigarettes. - By William Saletan - Slate Magazine

AHA reprinted the FDA report on their website. They have not have made any statements about ecigs one way or the other.

Concerning arterial constriction, that is transient. I'm searching to see if the effects of nicotine alone, not associated w/ tobacco, on the cardiovascular system is clincally significant. I don't know if that is even known.

I did find this website about nicotine gum addiction.

http://whyquit.com/pr/120108.html

**yvilla** · 10-29-2009, 12:58 AM

Originally Posted by Territoo

Concerning arterial constriction, that is transient. I'm searching to see if the effects of nicotine alone, not associated w/ tobacco, on the cardiovascular system is clincally significant. I don't know if that is even known.

Territoo, studies on smokeless tobacco products do bear on this issue. I've quoted this article here before, but quite some time ago so you may not have seen it, so I'll do it again as it's right on point:

4. Cardiovascular diseases
Over the past 15 years, eight epidemiologic studies have examined the risk of cardiovascular diseases among ST users. Six of the studies found that ST users had no increased risk for heart attacks or strokes [47,90,97-100]. The other two reported modestly positive associations, with ST users having RRs of 1.2 and 1.4 [92,101], which are lower than those of smokers. In 2003, Asplund completed a comprehensive review of the cardiovascular effects of ST use [102]. He concluded that, in distinct contrast to smokers, ST users do not exhibit any significant differences from nonusers of tobacco with regard to the following measures of cardiovascular health: heart rate, blood pressure, cardiac output and maximal working capacity, levels of hemoglobin and hematocrit, leukocytes, antioxidant vitamins, fibrinogen, components of the fibrinolytic system, C-reactive protein and thromboxane A2 production. In addition, ST users did not show important smoking-associated vascular changes, including increased thickness of blood vessels and atherosclerotic plaque development. In summary, most of the medical and epidemiologic evidence documents that ST users do not have elevated risks for cardiovascular diseases.

From: http://www.harmreductionjournal.com/...-7517-3-37.pdf

**j0ker** · 10-29-2009, 01:13 AM

Oh I'm definitely in! I can handle a little drive over from Gulfport MS!

**j0ker** · 10-29-2009, 01:18 AM

Originally Posted by Webby

Anyone have a suggestion as to a beneficiary for the event? I think it would be good PR to donate proceeds toward a worthy cause. It would certainly help align us with a known charity to attract more positive press.

How about the American Cancer Society or keep it inline with jj2's suggestion and some kind of cancer research for kids!

**seminolewind** · 10-29-2009, 04:44 AM

Originally Posted by j0ker

How about the American Cancer Society or keep it inline with jj2's suggestion and some kind of cancer research for kids!

I second this, in fact he beat me to the post!

**Þornbjörg** · 10-29-2009, 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by seminolewind

I second this, in fact he beat me to the post!

The thing I'd like to mention though, if you take proceeds and hand it to them, you could mention the research done by the New Zealanders (is that the right word?) that shows that the nitrosamine levels are below carcinogenic levels, and thus, a less cancer-prone alternative to burning tobacco plant matter... if approached in a respectful way -armed to the teeth with what studies have been done- it could really help our cause.