The Precise 18650 (P18) - First Impressions

[Switched]

Oh man, oh man, the day has come! Nice review Switched. I'm happy that it's what you expected it to be.

Is there much or any rattling with AW LiFePO4 16340 batteries in the P18 since they are much thinner than the AW 18650 batt?

To be honest, it is more than I expected. Pics do not do it justice.

Yes they do! We need to remember the device is a 3.7V mod that accepts an 18650 batt, and like all devices capable of accepting an 18650, a certain amount of rattle will occur using an 16mm batt in a tube capable of handing an 18mm batt. A thin cardboard tube the thickness of a pack of smoke should cure that problem though. Anyone got an old pack of smokes ... it sort of reminds me of the first BBQ of the season this year, where I didn't have a lighter to light the charcoal. I had to run down the store and get me a BBQ lighter. It was never a problem when I smoked the stinkies I think we need a mod capable of fire without venting that is...

[Aceyboogie]

Great review switched!! I'm waiting for my P16 as we speak...

[Switched]

Thanks Acey you will be pleased. Have you been waiting long?

[VaporMadness]

Hey Switched, nice review!

You said 'sustainability over "bling"'... but really the the precise craftsmanship, polished fit and finish, and elegant mechanical simplicity... really do add up to "bling" to my eye

So you've got prohibition ready hardware, do you have a strategy for the software? Just curious.

[Aceyboogie]

Thanks Acey you will be pleased. Have you been waiting long?

Not as long as you waited for your P18..lol!! Your attention to detail in the review just made it clear to me that I definitely made the right decision in making this purchase. The real kicker is when Dave gave the "Lifetime Warranty" stamp of approval on all the stainless precises. That's something that has NEVER happened before in this industry. I've owned the "other" mechanical PV and don't get me wrong, it was a great device, but I hated the constant cleaning and maintenance that had to be done in order for it to work properly. It really was a PIA to sandpaper this contact point and noalox the threads almost on a daily basis for it to function.

[Switched]

Hey Switched, nice review!

You said 'sustainability over "bling"'... but really the the precise craftsmanship, polished fit and finish, and elegant mechanical simplicity... really do add up to "bling" to my eye

So you've got prohibition ready hardware, do you have a strategy for the software? Just curious.

Thanks VM, I guess you do have a point and I have to agree with you.

I believe there will always be a way to acquire the software. Unlike some, I have not chosen this lifestyle over smoking but rather as a cessation device, and as we all know it works. I plan on weaning myself off nicotine in the next couple of years. I have been successful to date reducing my nicotine intake. Should the stay be reversed we will all be ahead of the game. To be honest, I do not want to see it legalised. I would much rather it be left alone the way it was prior to the stay, than have BT or BP involved in any way shape or form. The knowledge I have learned here has ensured I will always be able to vape in the future, providing we have the necessary component - the atomiser, which I do

[dk2]

Great review makes me jealous that you ordered and therefore received yours before I've received mine.

People make a big deal about not being able to get atomiser's if there is a ban however for me a carto user it's really not a big deal to make a carto and no super skills are involved in rebuilding cartos or refilling the filler.

[Switched]

Not as long as you waited for your P18..lol!! Your attention to detail in the review just made it clear to me that I definitely made the right decision in making this purchase.

My intention is to always provide reviews without "fluff" I say it the way it is. We are starting to see more of these. I don't believe I invented them, but some of the reviews that have been coming out of late are finally touching on some negatives, which IMHO provides the reader some sort of objectivity in which to make an informed decision.

One of the negatives I had about reviews is that there was no disconcerting factors involved. I've seen such comments as:

• Wow it is awesome, I never had a device that produced such a great throat hit;
• Awesome vapour production; or
• Of late, I saw one the device provides awesome flavour, unlike any other I have tried.

Those observations do nothing in promoting a PV, and IMHO imaginative qualifiers at best. A 3.7V device is a 3.7V device. It is the attributes that make device A better than device B. If everyone made a Pros and Cons list and based their decision on the honest outcome of such a list over popularity, I honestly believe folks would be much happier. Not only would they be happier, but IMHO would drive the rest of the industry towards improving their products, and everyone would win. A person should not have to go to Home Depot or Lowes to make their brand new PVs work, not at the price we are paying for them.

The real kicker is when Dave gave the "Lifetime Warranty" stamp of approval on all the stainless precises. That's something that has NEVER happened before in this industry.

That was never a qualifying factor for me. AAMOF at the time I pulled the trigger, it didn't exist, it came out afterwards. His product does not need a lifetime warranty, but it does speak volume the vendors belief wrt the quality of the build. Others have started offering a lifetime warranty as well, but Dave was indeed the first.

No, what was the qualifying factor for me was his workmanship and the upcoming possible ban that lead me to get in on it first rather, than avoid the possibility of not getting one later. This also happens with many PVs after receiving positive reviews. Folks flock towards them creating back orders and long waiting periods.

I've owned the "other" mechanical PV and don't get me wrong, it was a great device, but I hated the constant cleaning and maintenance that had to be done in order for it to work properly. It really was a PIA to sandpaper this contact point and noalox the threads almost on a daily basis for it to function.

I am sorry to hear about that but in all fairness, all PVs require a certain amount of care and maintenance to keep them top performers, just some more than others.

Not trying to knock one product or another but, one product that is receiving a lot of negatives is the "Nickel Plating" on the Omega. The Omega is classy and shiny. It is an all mechanical device as well. Folks are being turned off with how quick it tarnishes. Several Omegas wound up in the classifieds within days of their purchase for that exact reason. However, I believe that if the plating is sufficient enough, it should develop a beautiful patina over time, that could be quite "sexy" to some.

In closing, I will always discuss the pros and cons about devices or accessories in my reviews. Of course these will not be seen during initial impressions but during a follow up review after the device has been put through its paces. IMHO it is not how a device performs fresh out of the gate that counts, it is how it performs in the stretch

[Switched]

Great review makes me jealous that you ordered and therefore received yours before I've received mine.

People make a big deal about not being able to get atomiser's if there is a ban however for me a carto user it's really not a big deal to make a carto and no super skills are involved in rebuilding cartos or refilling the filler.

I hear ya DK. I have acquired sufficient knowledge here to build my own PVs, which I have. From a simple battery box, to regulated normal and wet high drain batt boxes. I have also gained sufficient knowledge to build or rebuild an atomiser should the need ever arise.

I was fortunate to see the wrting on the wall from the beginning on how to achieve sustainability in the PV world. The only achilles heel to vaping is the shelf life of our liquids and the life span of atomisers.

My recommendation to all is to learn how to become self-sufficient and not solely rely on someone else to quench our addictions.

[BrockJ]

I've never worried about the e-cig ban here in the states.
Her0in has been banned for years and it still pours into this country daily and can be found in most elementary schools.
If an e-cig ban happens, I'll just get a 4th grader to "score" me some cartomizers and juice