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    Name: Smoke 51
    Model: Loong Totem v9
    Website: Electronic Cigarette by Fifty-One | electric cigarette, e-cigarette, e-cig
    Price: $104.95 to $149.95
    Discount Coupon code: DSE141 (33% off)
    Warranty/Guarantee: One year on batteries.
    Overall Rating: 3.4
    Pros: HUGE vapor producer, long lasting cartridge, fresh atomizer every time.
    Cons: Poor battery performance, short battery life, poor selection of strengths and flavors.

    Atomizer Performance: 4
    1- Smoke; 5
    2- Draw; 3
    Battery Performance: 2.75
    1- Switch; 3
    2- Battery life; 2.5
    Overall reliability and performance: 4
    Appearance: 3
    Customer Service Experience: None; complimentary review copy.
    Contents: 2 long batteries, one charger, one power cord, 2 cartridges.
    Extras: none.
    Battery charging times: 8 hours initial, 3-4 hours recharge.
    Interchangeability: ePuffer Eaze Magnum, .......... New MiniCig

    Narrative review:
    Smoke 51 is the exclusive Loong Totem v9 distributer for the US. The LTv9 is a departure from the usual e-cig design, and it’s big feature is the disposable combination atomizer and cartridge. Not only does this promise to solve the problem of atomizer failures, and eliminate the mess of refilling and dripping, the cartridges are claimed to last as long as two packs, and the vapor is supposed to be just amazing.

    You pay for all those promises, at $150 for the full, 2-battery, starter kit, and $50 each for replacement batteries. But are all the claims true?

    Well, the last one is definitely true, the vapor is amazing. Awesome, really! The most vapor I have seen any e-cig produce, with the possible exception of Trog’s Screwdriver, or a similar mod. And while it is true that cartridge changes are no muss and no fuss, the cartridge life in my estimation is only one pack, not two. Of course, that is still more than any other mini or penstyle. The promise of absolute atomizer reliability, though is the real disappointment, as I found there was a lot of variability in cartridge performance, and a high failure rate, about 20% that were just bad out of the box.

    In terms of my usual ratings system, the score is very mixed. I give it a full 5 points for vapor production, and like the e-pipe it is really off the chart. 5-plus. The draw is fairly hard, though, and I give it a 3. It does vary a lot between cartridges, though, and in fairness, the hard draw is due as much to the batteries as the atomizers, but for consistencies sake I am not going to rearrange my system. That averages to 4 for the atomizer.

    The battery performance and durability were very poor on the batteries I received. One of the two died after only a week. On the other, the LED began to fail to activate just recently, after about 3-4 weeks use. Battery life is acceptable, about what you’d expect from a mini, 70 5-second puffs or so, which scores a 2.5 out of 5. But the switch performance is very slow; unless you do a primer puff first, the switch takes as long as two seconds to respond. Furthermore, the switch fades out consistently after only 2 or 3 seconds, then fades back in, so you can’t take a long drag. For my puff counts, for example, I had to take my 5-second inhalation in two pieces. I can only give it a 3 out of 5.

    In fairness, with the amount of vapor these produce, you don’t need a long inhalation. One hard sharp primer puff, followed by just a second or two long drag, is actually plenty. Using that technique, the poor switch performance is not much of an issue, otherwise I would have rated it even lower. Still, a better performing battery delivers a much more satisfying experience, as I will get to shortly.

    I only did a couple of puff counts because, as I said I couldn’t really get a good 5-second inhalation anyway. But I got about 70 puffs per battery, and about 120 puffs per cartridge. Using the double puff method, I got around 140-150 puffs per battery, and 225-250 per cartridge. That’s about one pack per cartridge, and about 2 batteries per cartridge. Typically a battery would last from 2-3 hours of heavy use, to 5 or 6 hours of moderate use, and a cartridge from 6 to 12 hours. I was using 1 ½ to 2 cartridges most days, some days 3.

    Overall reliability, as I mentioned before, was a bit of a disappointment to me. Out of the 57 cartridges I tried, several, at least 8 to 10, were bad out of the box. I didn’t keep exact count, but a couple would do nothing but spit liquid, a couple did nothing at all, a couple died after only 20 puffs or so, and a couple had a foul, burnt fabric taste right from the start. And a few more would spit a small amount of liquid along with the vapor, enough to leave a bad aftertaste. Defective cartridges can be returned for exchange, though.

    Besides bad cartridges, qualities like ease of draw and how well the battery responds would vary, and these variations would be consistant by flavors. The Menthol had the hardest draw, the Coffee the easiest, for example. I presume that means the variations are due to different production batches.

    Nonetheless, most cartridges, at least 4 out of 5, are good, and do deliver that perfect tons o vapor performance, so I give it a 4 for overall reliability.

    And appearance, well, it is a basic fake cigarette look, and that’s only a 3, average.

    That all averages out to an overall score of 3.4. The score would have been better with better batteries, and again, in fairness, with a quick hard primer puff and a short inhalation, the battery performance is acceptable, and the vapor production and short drags make it a great e-smoke.

    I don’t normally mention flavors, because you can normally use any liquid you want. But here you’re kinda locked in. Smoke 51 has only 5 flavors, Tobacco, Menthol, Vanilla, Coffee, and Chocolate. More variety than real cigs, but very limiting compared to other e-cig models. The flavors are ok, but not very strong. There's not a lot of throat kick, but the menthol has the most, while the vanilla is the smoothest.

    And they have only 4 strengths; zero nicotine, 4mg, 6mg, and 8mg. I am not sure whether that’s per 1ml or per cartridge. I think one cartridge is 1ml, so it may be the same thing, but I’m not sure.

    So, some cartridges fail, performance varies, batteries are poor, and they have limited flavors and strengths. But on the positive side, it’s an amazing vapor producer, it’s the only e-cig that will allow a short drag like a real cig, and it’s a very satisfying e-smoking experience.

    So can I recommend it? Yes, but not whole heartedly.

    Despite all its weaknesses, on the whole I like the Smoke 51, and enjoyed using it. So, I do want to recommend it. But I can’t give it a whole hearted recommendation, I do have to give it the caveat that I would recommend it more if the batteries were better.

    Refilling: I tried refilling sporadically, but never had very good results. Others have had better luck, but I couldn't get it to work reliably. It can be done by prying off the rubber tip and dripping a few drops at a time onto the coiled fabric, then letting it soak in. It works best if you top off a live cartridge instead of refilling a dead one.

    Charging: The batteries do definitely need a 3 to 4 hour charge. The green light on the charger will come on after around an hour to an hour and a half, but if you pull it off then you will get weak performance and the charge will only last half as long as usual. I have done this many many times, the green light is not reliable.
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    The main reason I did not buy this model was because of the disposable atomizer cart combo.

    Can the carts be refilled? I don't know how the coffee they have tastes, but I love Cashes coffee, so I would want to use my own choices for juice.

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    Eyespy has had better results refilling than I have, so he can advise you more on that than I can. I found that most of the time I tried refilling the cartridge died. Topping off a cartridge before it runs low works better, but I still couldn't get it to work more than half the time. When it did work, the vapor was not as impressive as a regular cartridge. Still pretty good, though, about a 4 out of 5.

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    The most interesting part about this is the vapor volume is much larger than it should be for the type of ecig.

    I was wondering what voltage is coming out of the battery? Typically when there is a higher voltage, the atomizer heats up hotter and the vapor is huge.

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    I'm glad I didn't get this one, I almost ordered it before finding tons of other websites and different models.

    I see Mike is trying to voice his opinions on it as well.
    Cheese graters could also be marketed and sold as sponge ruiners. Think about it.

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    did you address the throat hit leaford ? sorry if i missed it cause it has a unique one right ?

    also you were saying that they last about a pack worth of cigarettes. were you honestly able to survive on one cartridge a day without dripping ? (if you were a pack a day smoker)

    for me on just the loongs, it was more like 3 - 5.

    Did you think the flavours stand out ? For me, I couldn't differentiate between a lot of them. It is something to do with the design of the cart I think cause even dripping them, it is hard to taste the flavour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dc2k08 View Post
    did you address the throat hit leaford ? sorry if i missed it cause it has a unique one right ?
    I mentioned it in the written review. There's not a lot of throat hit. But enough that I can't call it smooth either. Middling. The Menthol I thought was the harshest, the vanilla was the smoothest.

    Quote Originally Posted by dc2k08 View Post
    also you were saying that they last about a pack worth of cigarettes. were you honestly able to survive on one cartridge a day without dripping ? (if you were a pack a day smoker)

    for me on just the loongs, it was more like 3 - 5.
    I was a pack to 2 packs a day smoker, and I vape 2-3 ml a day, roughly. One pipe cartridge and two pen cartridges usually does it. On these, I was going through 2 a day for the most part. Sometimes one lasted almost all day. A couple of times I ran through three. Not counting bad cartridges, of course.

    Quote Originally Posted by dc2k08 View Post
    Did you think the flavours stand out ? For me, I couldn't differentiate between a lot of them. It is something to do with the design of the cart I think cause even dripping them, it is hard to taste the flavour.
    Well, I didn't get to try the chocolate. The tobacco and coffee tasted similar, but the coffee was a lighter taste, more like tobacco than coffee. The menthol wasn't very minty. The vanilla was very light, and didn't always cover up the bitter nicotine flavor.

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    thanks leaford. I wonder if they'll honour their battery warranty. A year is very long. I think they are counting on people not bothering. If I bought one from them and lived in the states, I would definitely pursue it though. Just hope they don't throw in a catch. I'm sure you have read about loongs "warranty" results.

    You try dripping them much ?

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    See above, Dc.

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    oh yeah. sorry, i never did tackle the written element of the review. thought it was more a rehash of the vid. (too many words man, my eyes get lazy) i'll pay more attention next time

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