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    Quote Originally Posted by zoiDman View Post
    I watched the Entire Video and did Really Didn’t see much that was Misleading or Overtly Slanted.

    In fact, it seemed pretty well Balanced.
    Yeah, why am I not surprised? Ever heard the term "concern troll"?

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    I really like the extra info. No matter what side your on you can never say its worse then smoking unless u been smoking something else. Be that as it may, id rather be informed regardless of what side the info is coming from.
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    The video started out with great information that was pretty much all true.
    In fact, I marveled for awhile at how informed this person was about electronic cigarettes.

    Then he went out of control and started pulling crap out of his rear end.
    Tar? Really? There is no tar... unless there is?

    There has never been and will never be tar from an electronic cigarette.
    The laws of physics still hold sway in this world.

    It was soon after that I had to shut it down because I couldn't listen to it anymore.
    To much BS in too short a timeframe makes my veins stick out of my neck.

    My wife says that isn't good for me.
    And my screaming, yelling, and cussing upsets the dog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DC2 View Post
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    It was soon after that I had to shut it down because I couldn't listen to it anymore.
    To much BS in too short a timeframe makes my veins stick out of my neck.

    My wife says that isn't good for me.
    And my screaming, yelling, and cussing upsets the dog.
    LOL

    I hear you about the Screaming and Yelling thing. Sometimes I read stuff and I don't know if I should Laugh or Get Mad.

    I've beem doing a Lot of Laughing Lately.

    Did you think it was that Bad?

    I didn't see it as too far from the True. Perhaps not Perfect but you have to Admit, there are Much Less Informative things out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Striker911 View Post
    I really like the extra info. No matter what side your on you can never say its worse then smoking unless u been smoking something else. Be that as it may, id rather be informed regardless of what side the info is coming from.
    Someone told once that Any Knowlage is Better than No Knowlage at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zoiDman View Post
    Did you think it was that Bad?
    As I said previously, I thought it was pretty good... even impressive in some ways...
    Until he said there was no tar... unless there was.

    I couldn't hear much else after that due to the screaming and yelling and cussing.
    And I had to shut it down shortly thereafter.

    I don't know where it went from there, but from the comments here it sounds like it got worse.
    Although I'm not sure how it could get worse than postulating the impossible presence of tar.

    I suppose if he said little children could die just by looking at the vapor...

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    Ever watch the show Supernatural and see a scene where Dean calls somebody a douchbag?.
    This is exactly the kind of person Dean is talking about.

    I take it that he is very intolerant to hipsters as PV usage by hipsters is the main reason for his disapproval, all his other reasons are secondary.

    This man is not a Doctor or brilliant scientist, he is a science geek that has intolerance issues with people because he was picked on as a child, his observations are narrow-minded, biased and should not be given serious consideration.

    Never automatically assume that a well spoken person knows what they are talking about, ignorance comes in all forms.

    Reprint/copy paste any of this in the youtube comment section as you see fit, i have already left a personal comment on the video and don't want to spam the comment section with further statements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DC2 View Post
    As I said previously, I thought it was pretty good... even impressive in some ways...
    Until he said there was no tar... unless there was.

    I couldn't hear much else after that due to the screaming and yelling and cussing.
    And I had to shut it down shortly thereafter.

    I don't know where it went from there, but from the comments here it sounds like it got worse.
    Although I'm not sure how it could get worse than postulating the impossible presence of tar.

    I suppose if he said little children could die just by looking at the vapor...
    How was his statement not truth though? Do you know exactly whats going into your juice? If it was not made in your back yard then I would say thats imposable. I hear a lot of people getting upset and it seems like its only cause the guy did not word something exactly how they would have. Calm down people lol. Things like this are mild in comparison and if we want to be good representatives then keeping cool and rolling with the punches will only help. Who cares what anyone says. I can fart, and u can call it a declaration. Does not make it so. When u think about the first part he had acctually discretided his entire cause if he was against us by stating not enough research had been done, and he was not this or that if I remember rite. So put the fire out. Toke a J tank.

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    [QUOTE=Striker911;5686448]How was his statement not truth though? Do you know exactly whats going into your juice? If it was not made in your back yard then I would say thats imposable. I hear a lot of people getting upset and it seems like its only cause the guy did not word something exactly how they would have. Calm down people lol.(QUOTE]

    The highlights I took from the video
    -Dummy with PV in airport makes him uncomfortable
    -Classification debate
    -How they work
    Claims- Nicotine ingested/go into liver, Dosage levels very high/uncontrollable, more addictive then anologs, contains tar.
    -Neuro effects of nicotine, links to schizohrenia
    -States that nicotine is a gateway drug more dangerous than Mary J.
    -Promotes NRTs
    -Claims all evidence to be inconclusive
    -Biggest worry is that the hipsters take to vaping and undo all the stop smoking efforts of the government, little kids will all start vaping.
    -More education for people about evil nicotine.

    Some of his statement are true and informative but there are some very ignorant claims will just rally haters to work harder to take away our PV's

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    -States that nicotine is a gateway drug more dangerous than Mary J.
    That was one of the more sensible things he said, if you take out the part about being a gateway drug. It's a gateway drug kind of like beer is. I'm not sure which one I did first though. It probably is more dangerous than Mary J.. It's far more addictive. But that's like saying cycling is more dangerous than jogging. On the scale of danger, neither one ranks very high.

    Of course, to a timid and pampered geek, the whole danger scale is shifted relative to reality.

    Claims- Nicotine ingested/go into liver, Dosage levels very high/uncontrollable, more addictive then anologs, contains tar.
    This one made me laugh. So it goes to liver. So what? So does the cyanide in the apple seeds you swallowed. That's what the liver is for. Contains tar. Unless it doesn't. Contains plutonium. Unless it doesn't.

    There is no ingredient in juice capable of producing tar, I don't care where your juice is made. Tar is a product of combustion. Your juice company would have to deliberately introduce tar into juice as a separate component. Might as well introduce crack while he's at it. It makes no sense unless he was referring to the trace amounts of TSNAs, in which case he's mischaracterizing them as tar and neglecting to mention that the few TSNAs in juice are present at or below the levels found in the patches and gum he advocates.
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