Glycerin

[CaSHMeRe]

Originally Posted by Nazareth

...but Cash does with the Propylene Glycerol- just hte opposite of me.

you are certainly speaking the truth brother ... highly concentrated PG is a NIGHTMARE in my body. details would make you skip your lunch.

the end ... lol

[Nazareth]

Originally Posted by michaelrfloyd

So, if I wanted to make my own e-liquid, with which I could refill cartridges, or drip, what would I need to do? Is it possible to do this from scratch by:

1. simmering tobacco in water, straining (with laboratory grade filters )

2. adding vegetable glycerin?

I'm just looking for a pretty detailed recipe for diy smoke juice. Is there a way to test the nicotine content?

Just quickly a basic recipe would be:

50/50 Propylene Glycerol (Or PG as we call it- you can get soem from Bickfordflavors.com but you have to call them and ask for it) and Glycerin-

Take your SIMMERED down tobacco jouice (Don't boil it- just simmer it down till nice and dark and a bit thick-take a handfull of tobacco, drop in a cup or two of distilled water, and simmer it down), and put about 20% in a bottle, add your 50/50 PG/Glycerin, add a dropper full or so of flavoring of choice (but make sure it's an extract with only PG, flavoring and water- you can get these from Bickfords as well)

So here is hte basic proportions broken down:

80% of PG/Glycerin mixture

18% of Tobacco juice

2% of flavoring

And yes, do use lab quality filtering for hte juice if you can get them, the less dirty the tobacco juice, the better. There may be a way to test the nic content, but I'm not aware of how- plus I think TB said nicotine rapidly evaporates when exposed to air- but I think we are still getting soem nicotine in our mixtures- but I could be wrong- Probably hte best htign to do is to buy some manufactured eliquid juice, and add this to your homemade juice about 50/50

[TropicalBob]

That's a good recipe to follow. I do use commercial E-Liquid, just so I can have an idea how much nicotine I'm assured of. I use the highest, 24mg, commercial liquid. I don't add any PG because it's already in both the Bickford flavor and the commercial liquid. And I use about the same amount of cooked juice as Naz does, but more flavoring -- 1/4th for me. I want that Bickford Kahlua to clobber me!

It's all fun and not dangerous in any unique way, I believe. I've not experienced atomizer or health problems that I can relate to homebrew. Course, if I look cross-eyed at an atomizer, it's dead the next morning. If my nose is stuffy, I'll sleep with my mouth open and wake up to a sore throat from breathing air-conditioned air through it all night. Who knows?

[Nazareth]

I'm think that we should probably cut down the amount of water/tobacco juice to somethign around 5-10%. I know htis would cut down on the nicotine content, but I'm thinking it might be better for the atomizer. I think havign too much water can damage the atomizer. I'd actually like ot find soem 'nocotine/tobacco extract/flavor' somewhere to cut down hte amount of water even further. If you'll note on Wikipedia, the ingredients for the Ruyan in the 4 'recipes' listed don't have hardly any water in them and include tobacco essence/flavoring. The only hting is that htey do have a way of adding pure nicotine to coem up with known nicotine levels, which is an advantage that we homebrewers don't have

[TropicalBob]

I've never found a tobacco extract flavor, because who would want to cook with that? But ... there are tobacco fragrance oils for sale. Yes, it's an oil, but E-Cig uses four types of tobacco oils and Rutoo lists an oil among its liquid ingredients. Obviously, quantity is everything. I've wondered if one drop of tobacco fragrance oil might not boost the taste we experience.

Ever notice how when you're around a really strong fragrance/odor, that you begin to "taste" it? Or, if you sniff nasal snuff, you quickly "taste" it. Aroma and taste are womb mates, fraternal twins. So if we kick up aroma for fragrance, we might get a tobacco taste hit. We also might get a clogged atomizer! Which is what stops me from doing it. I'm sure there is more than one source for tobacco fragrance oil, but this is one I keep coming back to because of small size and reasonable price:

Candles and Candle Supplies - Dad's Pipe Tobacco Fragrance Oil/candle Scent

One other thought: I believe someone here mentioned having Perique liquor. It's made in England and extremely costly and hard to get in the U.S. I'd like for someone to add a few drops of Perique liquor to an e-smoking mix and see how it tastes. Perique tobacco is grown only in one small area of Louisiana, and sells for a small fortune. It's very, very powerful stuff to smoke, but the alcohol contains no nicotine.

[Threshold]

its termed as Natural Glycerin not Veg Glycerin .. Google for it . Use food grade stuff. Its found in most countries.

My combination is 80% PG and 20 % Glycerin. with some flavour. I have good amount of smoke. I would like to cut down more on glycerin and check. There is this mild itch in the back of my throat.

[Threshold]

and hey TropicalBob. Next time i am in the US i will surely pick up that "Kahlua" flavour from brickford. I am sure it would work well with the eciggy. Thanks for the info. Cheers.

[TropicalBob]

Threshold: I'm still enjoying my Kahlua mixes. And, er, the bottle I bought from a health food store, and the bottle that Amazon sells, is labeled Vegetable Glycerine. Course, we can call it holy water, makes no difference, but you'll find Vegetable Glycerine for sale in the U.S. We often shorten it to VG, as opposed to PG. Where do you live? Don't see it with your information. Come on over and we'll puff a few!

[Threshold]

South India

cheers

[TropicalBob]

A little far for you to come on over. Welcome to the forum and if we hold the First Annual E-Smokers Convention in Malaysia, I expect to meet you there!