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Mihai · 07-25-2008, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by TheEmperorOfIceCream

Hey Toe (I always think of you when I look at the night sky...)

I think they're going on the assumption that we get all the nic because there's no sidestream smoke loss as there is with a burning cigarette, which loses nicotine while it's lying in an ashtray, or waved around or whatever. I don't think this is right - I like to see vapour, like to trickle it out my nose and love to blow smoke rings, all of which can be considered sidestream vapour. I'm sure I'm losing more than 2% just playing with it.

Emp

Yes,but don't forget you probably did the same with the cigarette

When they 'rate' the cigarettes they measure the amount of smoke that gets dragged like a smoker would drag (6 sec every 30 sec). No losses considered anywhere else. E-liquids are 'tuned' according to that measurement. so in the same conditions - the amount of nicotine that gets out at the end of e-cig or cig in one drag is the same. what you do with the smoke after that is another problem, but same for both ways of smoking.

leaford · 07-25-2008, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by toekuttr

Emp:

LOL, I think you're the first one who made that connection in years. Actually though, thats my parrots name, since we clip her wings, thats all she can bite!

What kind of Parrot? This makes three parrot owners hereabouts.

toekuttr · 07-25-2008, 02:25 AM

Mihai:

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When they 'rate' the cigarettes they measure the amount of smoke that gets dragged like a smoker would drag (6 sec every 30 sec). No losses considered anywhere else. E-liquids are 'tuned' according to that measurement. so in the same conditions - the amount of nicotine that gets out at the end of e-cig or cig in one drag is the same.

Right, I agree with that too. I don't think though that all the nicotine inhaled is absorbed either in a real cigarette or an e-cig....but I also never read the test reports that claim no nicotine is left in the exhaled vapor either. Hopefully they'll do some further testing which isn't really "marketing disguised as a test". If you're exhaling smoke/vapor in a real cig or an e-cig I seriously doubt all the nicotine has even come in contact with any tissue at all. Thanks for the replies, and look for your opinions on that test TB posted too.

TropicalBob · 07-25-2008, 02:34 AM

Thanks for your research, Mihai. Yes, I'm certain the nicotine content is low in the cooked tobacco experiments I've done. Nicotine wasn't really my end goal. I wanted to capture the flavor of tobacco that I could then mix with glycerine and perhaps a liquid with known nicotine content. The stuff smells great, but I still don't get sufficient aftertaste.

I evaporated almost 95% of the most recent batch, leaving a really concentrated solution after distillation. At first, I was going to throw it out, but then I decided to go ahead and make a final solution using Bickford Kahlua and glycerine (and a lot of Kahlua liquor to thin the stuff). I used it for two days and found the taste very much to my liking. But I have no idea what it was doing to my blood nicotine level. If anything.

Again, appreciate your research on all this. We may end up HAVING to DIY and you might help us do just that.

TheEmperorOfIceCream · 07-25-2008, 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by leaford

What kind of Parrot? This makes three parrot owners hereabouts.

Have any of you got a wooden leg?

toekuttr · 07-25-2008, 02:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leaford:
What kind of Parrot? This makes three parrot owners hereabouts.

She's a 23 year old Severe. Thats a guestimate on her age though, as she was open-banded. I had an African too, but he (?) mysteriously died at 8.

jigtg · 08-05-2008, 12:36 AM

Sonic cleaner is a bit too expensive for me atm.
I'm not in to chemisty, but would this make any sense?
nic_plan.png
Idea is to evaporate water+nic and feed water back.

dc2k08 · 08-05-2008, 12:55 AM

for those wishing to view this document easily online or for those without XL (me)..i have put it here
Google Docs - nicotine v101
hope you dont mihai. i will remove it if you want me too
thanks

Mihai · 08-05-2008, 02:53 AM

I don't mind at all. I actually wish to see as much things related to this going around freely.
Before registering in this forum I wanted to make a blog/forum only about diy ecigs, but as I haven't seen here any censorship yet about this subject I see no point doing it anymore.
It's sad that the other good forums (de, nl, au) don't allow discussion about this stuff... what's the point in censoring, for example, a link to bickford's site, what do they think is in brand carts, holy water??

@jigtg:

that thing looks like a distillation recipient. Not very sure how it would work. On a first guess I thing it's the best to keep at first the temp at water boiling point, to get rid of the water, and then to increase the temp over 247 C (nicotine boiling point). This way you could get rid of impurities, and have pure nicotine in the second part.
I will ask around, I'm not sure how nicotine vapors will react to very high temperature, on wikipedia it says they combust @ 35 deg C.

edit: I read again your message. Yes, you need some water with that nicotine but your device can't separate them that way- you can't feed back only the water, you'll feed back the whole solution. A distiller separates substances with different vaporization points.

...

ok, new idea

actually that thing might work for getting a pure water/nic solution, so that this device is to be used only instead of filtration. You'll need after this only to evaporate the water through classical methods (simmering).
It might work but I still think filtering it's safer, easier and cheaper (3-7 USD for 100 filters lab grade 20 um) than building and using that contraption.

ah, and ultrasonic cleaner was just an idea, it's not necessary I think. It just might speed up the initial dissolving of the nicotine in water.

TropicalBob · 08-05-2008, 04:03 AM

I did an easy distillation and have no idea what I got, but it tastes fine. I use a small 3-inch diameter pot. I put half a snus container in the middle of the pot. Surround the container with cooked tobacco liquid. Turn the lid of the pot upside down and lower it into place. Start simmering on low heat. The moisture collects on the lid underside, runs down to the little knob and drips into the snus lid. The stuff that dripped was pretty clear and verrrry gummy. I thinned it with alcohol, added my glycerine and smoked it.

As always, I have NO idea how much, if any, nicotine is present. That's a bummer.

08-05-2008, 12:55 AM	#28
dc2k08 4-um Addict Join Date: May 2008 Location: .ie Posts: 894	for those wishing to view this document easily online or for those without XL (me)..i have put it here Google Docs - nicotine v101 hope you dont mihai. i will remove it if you want me too thanks __________________ E-cig News.com Last edited by dc2k08; 08-05-2008 at 12:57 AM.

08-05-2008, 02:53 AM	#29
Mihai Full Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Romania Posts: 72	I don't mind at all. I actually wish to see as much things related to this going around freely. Before registering in this forum I wanted to make a blog/forum only about diy ecigs, but as I haven't seen here any censorship yet about this subject I see no point doing it anymore. It's sad that the other good forums (de, nl, au) don't allow discussion about this stuff... what's the point in censoring, for example, a link to bickford's site, what do they think is in brand carts, holy water?? @jigtg: that thing looks like a distillation recipient. Not very sure how it would work. On a first guess I thing it's the best to keep at first the temp at water boiling point, to get rid of the water, and then to increase the temp over 247 C (nicotine boiling point). This way you could get rid of impurities, and have pure nicotine in the second part. I will ask around, I'm not sure how nicotine vapors will react to very high temperature, on wikipedia it says they combust @ 35 deg C. edit: I read again your message. Yes, you need some water with that nicotine but your device can't separate them that way- you can't feed back only the water, you'll feed back the whole solution. A distiller separates substances with different vaporization points. ... ok, new idea actually that thing might work for getting a pure water/nic solution, so that this device is to be used only instead of filtration. You'll need after this only to evaporate the water through classical methods (simmering). It might work but I still think filtering it's safer, easier and cheaper (3-7 USD for 100 filters lab grade 20 um) than building and using that contraption. ah, and ultrasonic cleaner was just an idea, it's not necessary I think. It just might speed up the initial dissolving of the nicotine in water. Last edited by Mihai; 08-05-2008 at 11:28 PM.

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07-25-2008, 02:34 AM	#24
TropicalBob Super Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Port Charlotte, FL USA Posts: 2,514	Thanks for your research, Mihai. Yes, I'm certain the nicotine content is low in the cooked tobacco experiments I've done. Nicotine wasn't really my end goal. I wanted to capture the flavor of tobacco that I could then mix with glycerine and perhaps a liquid with known nicotine content. The stuff smells great, but I still don't get sufficient aftertaste. I evaporated almost 95% of the most recent batch, leaving a really concentrated solution after distillation. At first, I was going to throw it out, but then I decided to go ahead and make a final solution using Bickford Kahlua and glycerine (and a lot of Kahlua liquor to thin the stuff). I used it for two days and found the taste very much to my liking. But I have no idea what it was doing to my blood nicotine level. If anything. Again, appreciate your research on all this. We may end up HAVING to DIY and you might help us do just that.

08-05-2008, 12:36 AM	#27
jigtg Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: EU Posts: 217	Sonic cleaner is a bit too expensive for me atm. I'm not in to chemisty, but would this make any sense? nic_plan.png Idea is to evaporate water+nic and feed water back.

08-05-2008, 04:03 AM	#30
TropicalBob Super Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Port Charlotte, FL USA Posts: 2,514	I did an easy distillation and have no idea what I got, but it tastes fine. I use a small 3-inch diameter pot. I put half a snus container in the middle of the pot. Surround the container with cooked tobacco liquid. Turn the lid of the pot upside down and lower it into place. Start simmering on low heat. The moisture collects on the lid underside, runs down to the little knob and drips into the snus lid. The stuff that dripped was pretty clear and verrrry gummy. I thinned it with alcohol, added my glycerine and smoked it. As always, I have NO idea how much, if any, nicotine is present. That's a bummer.