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[duncantiv]

Faethe, you are rapidly becoming my heroine! Thanks for the cleaning tips.

Ok, redid my residue test. Last time I used a spoon over a lighter, but decided that a shaky hand or misestimated distance between lighter and spoon could have skewed the results, even if only marginally. On top of that, when I rinsed the spoon, the Snu residue washed right off almost immediately.

For the second test, I took a small pot, maybe 1 quart size, and put five drops of each liquid on either side of the pan, about the same distance from the center. The homemade juice evaporated much more quickly, leaving a light residue over the entire area the 'puddle' had sat. The RY4 surprised me, though. It took a LOT longer to cook off all the liquid, and when it was all done, I was left with a deep brown "scab" that took up maybe 25% of the area the liquid initially occupied. After letting the pot cool for a bit, I ran hot water into the pot, and like the spoon, the homemade juice residue rinsed away almost completely with just water, but I had to go in with a scrubber brush to get rid of the RY4 scab. It was relatively easy to get rid of the scab, but my fingers are currently crossed that I haven't ruined my favourite Ramen pot! (Damn, just realized I should have taken some pictures of the results. Sometimes I'm SUCH a .....!)

I really wish I had plain tobacco flavour juice to try this with, but money has been tight of late. If anybody else can try the same experiment with plain tobacco juice, I for one would love to hear the results. As for the RY4, it seems cleaning would be a lot harder, and would most likely shorten the lifespan of an atomizer more, than if one were vaping the Snu juice.

Opinions?

[let,there,be,vaping]

Regarding the mentions of what the ingredients in Odin's Snus might be. The following are their ingredients:

Contents: Tobacco
Water (about) 52%
Taste Enhancer (table Salt)
Humectants (E 1520)
Acidity Regulator (E 500)
Nicotine (about) 17 Mg/g
Salt (about) 5%

This information was found at: Odens Original Extra Stark Portion, Odens Extra Stark Cinnamon, Portion, Swedish snus, tobacco, snus, smokeless tobacco, original, classic, portion

See any problem ingredients? Any to cause atomizer troubles? I'm thinking about making some, but with my atty luck I'm wondering if my luck will decrease even more! So that is a definite concern for me.

Thanks.

[casey8579]

Hi, everyone.

1st off thanks to everyone for their info on this thread about making your own liquid, very helpful.

Just got my 510 3 days ago and getting used to it but so far so good. After reading thru this thread I tried a quick and dirty experiment for making liquid which actually turned out pretty good. I had some old (and I do mean OLD) pipe tobacco which I put a handfull loose in a saucepan 3/4 full of tap water. Left it simmering uncovered on the stove til the water cooked off leaving maybe 3/4 cup of very dark liquid. I strained this thru a coffee filter into a jar for saving.

Then using some vg picked up at the drug store, I mixed up a small bottle of liquid that is suprisingly good. Definite tobacco taste and mildly sweet tasting, with more vapor because of the vg as I understand it.

Of course there is no way to know the nicotine strength, my subjective opinion is that it is fairly strong because after refilling a cart and trying it, it left me more satisfied with the smoke than with the camel light carts I had been using that came with the kit.

Wonder if you could get it a little stronger by adding more water back to the pan and let it simmer longer? Any ideas?

[deeptrout]

Ok i asked this question once already but didnt get a response so here it is again.

I am interested in vaping as an alternative to the various cancerous chemicals that are included in tobacco, these home extraction methods of commercial tobacco products just seem to provide a different way of getting those same nasty chemicals into the system. Am i missing something here?

[sherid]

Ok i asked this question once already but didnt get a response so here it is again.

I am interested in vaping as an alternative to the various cancerous chemicals that are included in tobacco, these home extraction methods of commercial tobacco products just seem to provide a different way of getting those same nasty chemicals into the system. Am i missing something here?

Some people are still interested in finding a safer way to smoke it. Burning tobacco appears to be the most dangerous. It would make sense that heating via an atomizer rather than lighting with fire and burning tobacco would be somewhat safer. I believe that some vapers would still love to use tobacco, especially if they could lower the risk of doing so.

[Faethe]

I really wish I had plain tobacco flavour juice to try this with, but money has been tight of late. If anybody else can try the same experiment with plain tobacco juice, I for one would love to hear the results. As for the RY4, it seems cleaning would be a lot harder, and would most likely shorten the lifespan of an atomizer more, than if one were vaping the Snu juice.

Aw thank you That's really interesting there. So you are saying that the quality of residue was harsher with the RY4? I can try to test this out tomorow with a candle burner thing I have. I am also going to uncork the coffee I put up three weeks ago and see what that is like as a flavoring agent.

I am interested in vaping as an alternative to the various cancerous chemicals that are included in tobacco, these home extraction methods of commercial tobacco products just seem to provide a different way of getting those same nasty chemicals into the system. Am i missing something here?

I'm not using American tobacco. People who make their own juice have a tendency to be picky because we don't want the carcinogens added back in. Also - we are not burning any of this stuff. There are threads where there has been speculation about VG decomposing into something else at temperatures exceeding 100 C (the boiling point of water). If you want to look there, you can see the various arguments pro and con as to whether this is something to be concerned about.

The best possible solution (and some people are doing this) is to grow your own tobacco from scratch. It's really not hard to do. You can grow it in a pot. Or get 'organic tobacco' and experiement with that.

The whole reason we are using snus in this thread is because the amount of nicotine in the snus is advertised (for most of them). When you use raw tobacco, or pipe tobacco, you run the risk of making a too strong 'tea'. This is also why the people in this thread started with just one snu in a shotglass of VG. At high levels, Nicotine can kill you or at the very least make you explode various liquids from orifices that usually do not. If you've crapped yourself, it's too strong You don't want to do that, do you?

Some people are still interested in finding a safer way to smoke it. Burning tobacco appears to be the most dangerous. It would make sense that heating via an atomizer rather than lighting with fire and burning tobacco would be somewhat safer. I believe that some vapers would still love to use tobacco, especially if they could lower the risk of doing so.

Yeah exactly. We don't know at this point. We do know that we are not burning it. My Doctor did a backflip when I explained all of what I know to her. She thinks the majority of what we are experiencing is behavioral - we think we smoke and therefore we are. But we don't know yet. The preliminary studies suggest that this is safer to much safer.

Just stay tuned. We'll know more when the studies come in. As for me personally, I feel much better since I have stopped smoking leaves.

[WerkIt]

I bow to all here for these wonderful experiments and wish you much luck in your endeavors.

As a snus user, I would like to let you all know, if you are looking for a pure tobacco flavor, without any additional flavors added in, such as bergamot, citrus, juniper, anise, licorice, mint, etc, Tre Ankare snus is one you might wish to try for extraction.

For those working with roll your own (ryo) tobacco for your extractions, be aware of how the tax game is now played. The tax increases that hit on 4/1/09 placed a tax of $24.50 per pound on roll your own tobaccos. What many ryo tobacco companies have done to counter this, is to market ryo tobaccos as pipe cut tobaccos. What this means is, instead of paying $40 for a pound of ryo tobacco, you can now pay $17.95 for 12 oz. of 'pipe cut' tobacco, many of which provide a VERY smooth tobacco at that price. I HIGHLY recommend the Smoker's Outlet "Natural' pipe cut tobacco(http://www.smokersoutletonline.com/smokers-outlet-pipe-tobacco-p-211.html), which is for sale at that price, although the 'robust' blend will most assuredly provide a higher nicotine level than the 'natural.' If you find the cut a bit 'rough' for extraction, run the tobacco through a food processor or coffee grinder prior to proceeding with your extraction experiments.

Additionally, the highly famed D & R has also made their exceedingly fine tobaccos available in pipe cut (Trisha's Cafe-Premium Pipe Cut Tobacco-Pipes-Pipe Cleaners-Tampers-Pouches). If you wish to extract pure Virginia you can order either the Windsail (British Virginia) or Penhooker (Canadian Virginia). If you really wish to extract an optimal tobacco flavor, cut either of the above Virginias with a quarter to a third of the Ramback Turkish, although I would personally recommend 1/4 of the Ramback Turkish to 3/4 of either Virginia. The addition of the Turkish will lower the nicotine content of the final extraction. However, you will find the sacrifice will be well worth what the Turkish does for the final flavor. (Turkish is to tobacco as salt is to food, it improves the flavor of EVERY tobacco to which it is added.) Again, if you find these pipe cuts to be too rough, process or grind them prior to extraction. The D & R can be purchased in quantities as small as 3.5 ounce tins or 14 oz pouches and cost a bit more than the Smoker's Outlet brand, but far, far less than any of the sub standard ryo tobaccos at the new tax tier.

I do not work for either of the above companies. I have merely been in the ryo arena for almost two years and am fairly well aquainted with the available tobaccos and hope to provide information that will prove fruitful in future experiments, while hopefully, saving money for those who will be purchasing tobaccos for extraction, by helping those to escape the new extortionary taxes on the ryo tobaccos.

[rinkusu]

...If you've crapped yourself, it's too strong

I about fell outta my chair when I read that.

"Experiment complete.
Begin test vaping.
Am I crapping myself?
No!
Keep vaping!"

[tescela]

I bow to all here for these wonderful experiments and wish you much luck in your endeavors.

As a snus user, I would like to let you all know, if you are looking for a pure tobacco flavor, without any additional flavors added in, such as bergamot, citrus, juniper, anise, licorice, mint, etc, Tre Ankare snus is one you might wish to try for extraction.

For those working with roll your own (ryo) tobacco for your extractions, be aware of how the tax game is now played. The tax increases that hit on 4/1/09 placed a tax of $24.50 per pound on roll your own tobaccos. What many ryo tobacco companies have done to counter this, is to market ryo tobaccos as pipe cut tobaccos. What this means is, instead of paying $40 for a pound of ryo tobacco, you can now pay $17.95 for 12 oz. of 'pipe cut' tobacco, many of which provide a VERY smooth tobacco at that price. I HIGHLY recommend the Smoker's Outlet "Natural' pipe cut tobacco(http://www.smokersoutletonline.com/smokers-outlet-pipe-tobacco-p-211.html), which is for sale at that price, although the 'robust' blend will most assuredly provide a higher nicotine level than the 'natural.' If you find the cut a bit 'rough' for extraction, run the tobacco through a food processor or coffee grinder prior to proceeding with your extraction experiments.

Additionally, the highly famed D & R has also made their exceedingly fine tobaccos available in pipe cut (Trisha's Cafe-Premium Pipe Cut Tobacco-Pipes-Pipe Cleaners-Tampers-Pouches). If you wish to extract pure Virginia you can order either the Windsail (British Virginia) or Penhooker (Canadian Virginia). If you really wish to extract an optimal tobacco flavor, cut either of the above Virginias with a quarter to a third of the Ramback Turkish, although I would personally recommend 1/4 of the Ramback Turkish to 3/4 of either Virginia. The addition of the Turkish will lower the nicotine content of the final extraction. However, you will find the sacrifice will be well worth what the Turkish does for the final flavor. (Turkish is to tobacco as salt is to food, it improves the flavor of EVERY tobacco to which it is added.) Again, if you find these pipe cuts to be too rough, process or grind them prior to extraction. The D & R can be purchased in quantities as small as 3.5 ounce tins or 14 oz pouches and cost a bit more than the Smoker's Outlet brand, but far, far less than any of the sub standard ryo tobaccos at the new tax tier.

I do not work for either of the above companies. I have merely been in the ryo arena for almost two years and am fairly well aquainted with the available tobaccos and hope to provide information that will prove fruitful in future experiments, while hopefully, saving money for those who will be purchasing tobaccos for extraction, by helping those to escape the new extortionary taxes on the ryo tobaccos.

test test test

[let,there,be,vaping]

Well I just ordered a couple cans of Odin's.

Gonna try this out. With the luck of I'm having with my atomizers, I am guessing that this won't kill them any faster (and hoping too!). Maybe making my own juice will free up some dollars that can be spent on more hardware... that'd be great (as Tony the Tiger says it).

Now to just wait for it's arrival.