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About LinkBacksHas anyone tried this method with loose snus? I assume one could do the same with loose, provided the end result was strained through a coffee filter?
Has anyone tried this method with loose snus? I assume one could do the same with loose, provided the end result was strained through a coffee filter?
See my questions on that other thread. I'd bring them here, but best to keep the topics seperate.Originally Posted by WerkIt
Regarding your question about loose Snus, I haven't even thought about trying them yet. The whole Snu-world is all new to me, so I've been sticking to familiar territory. (i.e. packaged Snus) Other than manufacturing standards, what's the difference between loose Snus and chewing tobacco?
By the way, I received my Swedish Camel Snus, as well as a can of Oden high nicotine stuff! Unfortunately, my last atomizer died, so I have to wait for new parts before I can start testing.I hope they taste good, the price when ordering in quantity was pretty damn sweet!
Already answered.
The ingredients are listed on loose snus and are usually very simple: tobacco, herbs, carbonate (to freebase the nicotine in the baccy), PG, VG, salt, there might be more than that, but not much more. US chewing tobaccos are often sweet, containing sugar or molasses. I have yet to taste a Swedish snus that was either sweet or contained molasses. I am not sure that such a product would be welcomed. It certainly wouldn't be good for one's teeth to have them soaked with sugar loaden tobaccos off and on throughout the day.
Hey - are you Swedish? You seem like you know a lot about Swedish SnusWe need some advice here about them!
Ok, so the major difference between chewing tobacco and Swedish Snus is the preparation method. I'm not sure about the "Frost" flavour of American Camel Snus, but the honey flavour of the "Mellow" would seem to support your assumption that American Camel Snus are just prepackaged chewing tobacco. It is, however, just an assumption.
On a related note, I have started soaking an Oden high-nic in PG per my usual method, though I'm only doing one pouch in 0.5 oz of PG, so I should end up with a more reasonably sized test sample. (I'm not quite ready to try making a tincture yet, so for now I'll be sticking with the soak method) After about 20 hours, the flavour seems reasonable, with decent throat hit, but with none of the sweet tang from the American Camel Snus. I think I felt a bit of a nic rush, but my atomizer is barely functional (at best) so until I get a new one, regard my conclusions as tentative. I am pretty certain about the lack of sweet flavour though, so I'm guessing you're probably correct, WerkIt.
Once it's completely done brewing, I'll do a residue test, and see how that compares to the American Camel Snus. This time, though, I'll take pictures!
Last edited by duncantiv; 06-13-2009 at 08:08 AM.
I almost forgot to mention this! I got my first samples of the abovementioned parts, and they work pretty darn well! The dropper lid is a tad messier than the bottles I've gotten from BestECig, but are acceptable. The bottle is translucent, making it easy to track fluid levels too. Given the assortment of Snus available on BuySnus.com, I'm going to order 10 or 20 more of each, as the 0.5oz size makes for a great testing size. I'll probably order a larger size to make bigger quantities of "approved" liquids, and then re-use the small ones for day-to-day use or even to experiment with adding other flavour. (I so hope a chocolate mint flavour works well!)
For reference, these items are available from containerandpackaging.com using the part numbers I detailed above.
Last edited by duncantiv; 06-13-2009 at 08:07 AM.
I have a quick question and then maybe an observation. First, the thing I don't really understand about this is the nicotine content. If I have 6 Camel Snus and 20 mL of PG or VG, the nicotine content per mL is very, very small. That would be fine for people who are vaping very low nicotine juices, but it seems to me that it would be pretty hard to get something equivalent to 18 mg or 24 mg juice (even with Swedish Snus).
For my observation, I'll just say that I am soaking 6 Camel Snus in a mixture of PG and VG. I was running a little bit low on PG, so I thought I would mix them, but I didn't want to use straight VG because I might be a little sensitive to it. Just coincidentally, I put the PG in first and then the VG on top. When I put the Snus in, I noticed that the top VG layer was turning very dark, and the PG layer on the bottom wasn't doing anything. Apparently the VG was MUCH better at getting the Snus juice out. Of course, the whole mixture is dark brown now, since I tipped the glass in order to mix them.
The overall nicotine content in 36mg e-juice is only 3.6% (I may be off a bit here by a .1 or so). Camel snus have (I think) 11mg per packet. So 6 packets have a maximum of 66mg that can be transferred. This is the way I have been figuring it.
Obviously, you are not going to transfer every bit of nicotine out of the snus so you go for a 'hoped for' amount. Your maximum potential here is 66mg of nicotine in 20ml of juice.
Please don't ask me to do the math
PG is not as good of an extractor as alcohol or VG, VG being the more superior. This is a time intensive thing. I let mine ferment for 20 days (or so) before uncapping and straining it. You have to shake the bottle or container holding the snus solution once a day.
I do not have this down to a repeatable performance yet. When I do I guess I will have a definitive recipe. BTW I also throw in a tiny bit of citric acid (vitamin C crystals) into whatever solution I am making. This acts as a very weak acid/preservative. Does not appear to mess with flavor at all.
I've nothing to add to this thread at the moment, but just wanted to say - this is good stuff, I look forward to reading more on it! (especially if 36mg dries up..)
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