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duncantiv · 06-18-2009, 11:43 PM

Basically, I've settled on a ratio of 1 Snus/half ounce of PG. It must have been a trick of the lighting again, but I didn't think it was much lighter than the RY-4.

As for vaping, I'm thinking I need to thin the mixture out a bit. It'll vape well for the first puff or two, then tapers off sharply. If I let the cig sit for a few minutes, vapor production improves for a drag or two, then drops again.

Regarding cost, it's a bit variable. (All prices are in US dollars, by the way) When I ordered my Oden and Swedish Camels, it worked out to almost $6 per can with shipping. (buysnus.com actually breaks the price down to per can when in the shopping cart) However, that was only buying one can of each; the price dropped to $2.88 per can when I put a roll of Odens in the shopping cart. Anyway, using the $6/can price, to make 1 half ounce portion of homebrew cost me about 27 cents of PG ($8.75 for a 16oz bottle at RiteAid), and 24 cents of Snus. A half ounce is equal to 14.8 millileters, rounded up, so 30 mL would cost me a little over one dollar to make. If I were to buy rolls of Snus, that cost would drop to a little under 80 cents/30mL. Given the low nicotine level of my homebrew, not every vaper is going to be able to go this cheaply, since they'll probably want to supplement with a higher nicotine, store-bought liquid. Flavouring will also increase the costs somewhat, but I haven't even begun to explore that arena. We should also probably factor in cleaning costs, just to be thorough, but that is probably extremely variable depending on the vaper, but figure your current cleaning costs should probably go up between 50 and 100% in cost.

In theory, making 30mL of homebrew should allow you to buy 2-4 extra atomizers (depending on where you shop) without paying more than you would for a 30mL bottle of store bought. That number would, of course, change depending on what other ingredients you add to your homebrew liquid.

bearscreek · 06-19-2009, 05:39 PM

Thats definitely a good price.

I just hope you're not assuming that 30 mL of your homebrew would kill that many atomizers, though.

I took some of my homebrew last night and mixed 1/3 of that with 1/3 PG and 1/3 store-bought 18 mg. I added a couple of drops of coffee flavoring, and it wasn't bad at all. I have no real idea of the nic content (although obviously it was low), but I didn't find myself needing more nic. With the actual Snus content so dilute, that faint mint from the Camel Frost wasn't a problem at all. I like mint. I just didn't smoke menthols.

jlvaughn75 · 06-19-2009, 06:03 PM

Wow ive got to give that a try since i got extra snus tins!

duncantiv · 06-19-2009, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by bearscreek

Thats definitely a good price.

I just hope you're not assuming that 30 mL of your homebrew would kill that many atomizers, though.

I took some of my homebrew last night and mixed 1/3 of that with 1/3 PG and 1/3 store-bought 18 mg. I added a couple of drops of coffee flavoring, and it wasn't bad at all. I have no real idea of the nic content (although obviously it was low), but I didn't find myself needing more nic. With the actual Snus content so dilute, that faint mint from the Camel Frost wasn't a problem at all. I like mint. I just didn't smoke menthols.

I'm just trying to play it cautious when it comes to atomizer mortality. With proper cleaning, I don't expect the homebrew to really be more damaging than regular liquids.

That mix you made sounds pretty cool. I'm glad you found a way to hide the Frost flavour. You mention adding coffee; was this a flavouring, or a coffee-flavoured eliquid? How was vapor production with this mix?

bearscreek · 06-19-2009, 11:53 PM

Actually, the vapor of my mix is good, but occasionally it will do like you said. (It needs a rest for a minute.) This was Lorann's Keoke coffee flavor and 18 mg coffee juice from Trueman (which really isn't strong). Even with 1/3 PG, the final mix is pretty dark.

duncantiv · 06-20-2009, 02:30 AM

I just tried a 30% distilled water mix with my homebrew (no other ingredients) and it seems to have fixed the vapor issue. Overall production is a little lighter, but it's more consistent. I may try 20% next time, just to see if I can get a heavier vapor.

Faethe · 06-20-2009, 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncantiv

I just tried a 30% distilled water mix with my homebrew (no other ingredients) and it seems to have fixed the vapor issue. Overall production is a little lighter, but it's more consistent. I may try 20% next time, just to see if I can get a heavier vapor.

I cut mine with PG, water and now I am going to get a bottle of everclear. Overall, I am very happy with this. Hah I think we have hit on something

duncantiv · 06-20-2009, 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Faethe

I cut mine with PG, water and now I am going to get a bottle of everclear. Overall, I am very happy with this. Hah I think we have hit on something

I've seen other folks mention things like Everclear and vodka. What exactly is it for?

Faethe · 06-20-2009, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duncantiv

I've seen other folks mention things like Everclear and vodka. What exactly is it for?

Dilution and it is rumoured to improve throat hit. I just looked and it's illegal in Florida to sell the 190 proof everclear. The most we can have is the 151 proof. The higher one is much closer to pure grain alcohol. It can really, really mess you up if you abuse it so it's restricted in some states. You can use it to make perfume and cosmetics also.

tescela · 06-22-2009, 09:25 AM

Is there a risk involved in using Everclear and/or vodka in one's e-liquid mix?

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06-18-2009, 11:43 PM	#151
duncantiv Full Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 53	Basically, I've settled on a ratio of 1 Snus/half ounce of PG. It must have been a trick of the lighting again, but I didn't think it was much lighter than the RY-4. As for vaping, I'm thinking I need to thin the mixture out a bit. It'll vape well for the first puff or two, then tapers off sharply. If I let the cig sit for a few minutes, vapor production improves for a drag or two, then drops again. Regarding cost, it's a bit variable. (All prices are in US dollars, by the way) When I ordered my Oden and Swedish Camels, it worked out to almost $6 per can with shipping. (buysnus.com actually breaks the price down to per can when in the shopping cart) However, that was only buying one can of each; the price dropped to $2.88 per can when I put a roll of Odens in the shopping cart. Anyway, using the $6/can price, to make 1 half ounce portion of homebrew cost me about 27 cents of PG ($8.75 for a 16oz bottle at RiteAid), and 24 cents of Snus. A half ounce is equal to 14.8 millileters, rounded up, so 30 mL would cost me a little over one dollar to make. If I were to buy rolls of Snus, that cost would drop to a little under 80 cents/30mL. Given the low nicotine level of my homebrew, not every vaper is going to be able to go this cheaply, since they'll probably want to supplement with a higher nicotine, store-bought liquid. Flavouring will also increase the costs somewhat, but I haven't even begun to explore that arena. We should also probably factor in cleaning costs, just to be thorough, but that is probably extremely variable depending on the vaper, but figure your current cleaning costs should probably go up between 50 and 100% in cost. In theory, making 30mL of homebrew should allow you to buy 2-4 extra atomizers (depending on where you shop) without paying more than you would for a 30mL bottle of store bought. That number would, of course, change depending on what other ingredients you add to your homebrew liquid.

06-19-2009, 05:39 PM	#152
bearscreek Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: TN Posts: 299	Thats definitely a good price. I just hope you're not assuming that 30 mL of your homebrew would kill that many atomizers, though. I took some of my homebrew last night and mixed 1/3 of that with 1/3 PG and 1/3 store-bought 18 mg. I added a couple of drops of coffee flavoring, and it wasn't bad at all. I have no real idea of the nic content (although obviously it was low), but I didn't find myself needing more nic. With the actual Snus content so dilute, that faint mint from the Camel Frost wasn't a problem at all. I like mint. I just didn't smoke menthols.

06-19-2009, 11:53 PM	#155
bearscreek Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: TN Posts: 299	Actually, the vapor of my mix is good, but occasionally it will do like you said. (It needs a rest for a minute.) This was Lorann's Keoke coffee flavor and 18 mg coffee juice from Trueman (which really isn't strong). Even with 1/3 PG, the final mix is pretty dark.

06-20-2009, 02:30 AM	#156
duncantiv Full Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 53	I just tried a 30% distilled water mix with my homebrew (no other ingredients) and it seems to have fixed the vapor issue. Overall production is a little lighter, but it's more consistent. I may try 20% next time, just to see if I can get a heavier vapor.