Nice find Rat but watch the #5!!

**mixxy** · 03-23-2009, 07:24 AM

I know Mark.. I 'think' that same thing all the time... but I still haven't convinced myself to try the Tropical Punch that turned out to have the blue & red coloring in it (didn't realize until I got it home.) I have used one with caramel color though

Originally Posted by MARK4567

Call me crazy.. But I sucked down a pack and a half a day for 20 years!! With how many toxic chemical compounds!! I don't think "red#40 or blue#1" can come close!! We all inhaled this nasty stuff for years. It might be a little premadona-ish to eliminate a great flavor because it has a color in it.. (just my 2 cents)

**mixxy** · 03-23-2009, 07:42 AM

My sister came over Saturday and we had a juice making party!

Tried out more of the Lorann flavors I'd gotten but hadn't made yet. New flavors we made were Chocolate/Hazelnut, Caramel, Strawberry-Kiwi and Butter Rum.

I loved all of them but the Choc/Hazelnut. I liked it okay the first puff, but got tired of it quickly. I wasn't all that crazy for Chocolate Mint either when I made it before. I'm thinking I'm probably not really going to like any chocolate type flavors. We mixed up some BIG bottles of all our old favs too: coffee, english toffee, pralines & cream, cheesecake, blackberry -- and filled up my new 3ml pastic bottles for taking on the go... we had so much fun. I'm feeling pretty 'rich' in juice right now!

Hubby ran out of his riskee and had been missing it. He had some JC original tobacco and added some of the carmel juice to it and said it tasted pretty darn good (though didn't say he'd give up riskee for it!)

Since I bought the PG I've decided that I do like it much better than the VG for mixing.. so I used 3 parts PG and 1 part VG. Since the PG isn't as thick as the VG I didn't need to use the distilled water to thin it out and it came out great!

**MARK4567** · 03-23-2009, 08:29 AM

Ok First off I am not a chemist. I do work with chemicals (oxidizers mostly) for work.
Red#40 is what is known as a "coal tar" dye or "azo" dye and chemically named 6-hydroxy-5-[(2-methoxy-5-methyl-4-sulfophenyl)azo]-2-naphthalenesulfonic acid. Its melting point is 300c. Blue#1 is also a "Azo" dye so they are chemically close . Now what does all this have to do with us? Well PG vapor point is 220c and VG is very similar. Now since our supporting liquid (PG or VG) is vaporizing well below the melting point of the dyes they are simply carried in particulate form (no chemical change) in the vapor.
FDA has said that both red#40 and blue #1 are safe for foods. I am not saying that either of these dyes inhaled into the lungs is safe. BUT and its a big BUT there is no chemical change in these dyes when vaporized in either VG or PG.
Just thought this might help a bit..

**mixxy** · 03-23-2009, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by MARK4567

Ok First off I am not a chemist. I do work with chemicals (oxidizers mostly) for work.
Red#40 is what is known as a "coal tar" dye or "azo" dye and chemically named 6-hydroxy-5-[(2-methoxy-5-methyl-4-sulfophenyl)azo]-2-naphthalenesulfonic acid. Its melting point is 300c. Blue#1 is also a "Azo" dye so they are chemically close . Now what does all this have to do with us? Well PG vapor point is 220c and VG is very similar. Now since our supporting liquid (PG or VG) is vaporizing well below the melting point of the dyes they are simply carried in particulate form (no chemical change) in the vapor.
FDA has said that both red#40 and blue #1 are safe for foods. I am not saying that either of these dyes inhaled into the lungs is safe. BUT and its a big BUT there is no chemical change in these dyes when vaporized in either VG or PG.
Just thought this might help a bit..

Thanks for the info Mark

I may get the bug to at least try a small sample of the Tropical Punch just to see what it tastes like

It does sound really juicy & good... and it might make a really good special 'treat' for just a puff or two anyway...

**barefootbabi** · 03-24-2009, 06:07 AM

pn0yb0i,
Can I ask, in your video (which is awesome), what e-cig are you using?

**ratfink** · 03-24-2009, 07:10 AM

I am not sure if anyone has brought this up but I found americanspice.com has many of the flavorings that lorann has with colors, without. Such as Root Beer, Tropical Punch and Grape.

Also doing a simple (and not very scientific) experiment I dripped some of the LorAnn flavors on a hot pan to see what sort of residue they left behind it seems that Yellow 5 and Blue 1 in their Creme to Menthe leave very little to nothing, but Red 40 in peach leaves behind some visible residue, the worst were Caramel Coloring in Root Beer and Vanilla Butternut, left massive amounts of residue.

**Sun Vaporer** · 03-24-2009, 07:14 AM

Originally Posted by ratfink

I am not sure if anyone has brought this up but I found americanspice.com has many of the flavorings that lorann has with colors, without. Such as Root Beer and Grape.

Also doing a simple (and not very scientific) experiment I dripped some of the LorAnn flavors on a hot pan to see what sort of residue they left behind it seems that Yellow 5 and Blue 1 in their Creme to Menthe leave very little to nothing, but Red 40 in peach leaves behind some visible residue, the worst were Caramel Coloring in Root Beer and Vanilla Butternut, left massive amounts of residue.

Rat --nice find, but watch the FDC yellow number 5--that is Tartazine which has Asprin cross-sensitvities--do not what to be vaping that!!! I will check American spice out though--Thanks Rat------Sun

**ratfink** · 03-24-2009, 07:34 AM

Originally Posted by Sun Vaporer

Rat --nice find, but watch the FDC yellow number 5--that is Tartazine which has Asprin cross-sensitvities--do not what to be vaping that!!! I will check American spice out though--Thanks Rat------Sun

Speaking of Aspirin allergies you may want to avoid wintergreen as it contain Methyl salicylate as a salicylate can cause allergic reaction to those with sensitivity to it.

**SilkyVapor** · 03-24-2009, 07:59 AM

Hello everyone

... This is my first post on this forum.

I placed my first order from puresmoker on Friday and am anxiously waiting to get my very first e-cig (well I actually ordered 2 different types and a ton of other stuff

) All the recipes that y'all are mixing up are making me even more anxious and HUNGRY

Basically just wanted to post and say hi and thank you all for such a great informative thread. I soooo hope this is going to be the thing that gets me off these disgusting things. I've been smoking since I was 17 and I am so ready to find something that will finally help me stop

I look forward to mixing up yummy things with you all in the very very near future.

Have a great day everyone.

**MARK4567** · 03-24-2009, 08:25 AM