DIY e-liquid and nicotine extract method

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Hi Just,

When I was considering motivations for doing the extraction, yours (a ban) was the only one that really makes any sense to me, putting aside all practical and safety considerations.

If you sourced your raw leaf really carefully and got some Virginia at a potent 3%, you could triple the yields I talked about. Assuming you can find a supplier who knows what he has percentage wise and who isn't blowing smoke.

3 pounds of 3% could make about 28 bottles of 36 mg e-liquid at 36mg, if you were really good at it, maybe 14 if you weren't. I can see where that would be a year's supply.

If I were to do it myself, which I'm not intending, but the mental exercise is interesting, I'm debating whether I would simply extract down to the essentially pure tobacco alkaloids (mainly nicotine, with lesser nornicotine, anabasine, anatabine, and a handful of more trace alkaloids), or just go for it and isolate the nicotine from the other alkaloids.

I've also considered 21 mg nicotine patches. Since they use a rate limiting membrane, much more than 21 mg nicotine has to be present to allow delivery of 21 mg, and I've read that the amount is 114 mg in a Nicotrol. If I wanted a gram of nicotine, I'd process a dozen patches and have a 30 mL bottle of 36 mg e-juice for the effort and someone else has already taken care of the minor alkaloids for me. Backing material, glue, etc... trivial issues for a chemist. But still, unless realities change, I'll let TW do the work for me.

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The whole issue of e-smoking btw, reminds me so much of what's going on with the whole stupid recording industry trying to legislate their dying business model.

They cannot succeed for the simple reason that once the genie is out of the bottle, you can't put him back in.

The e-cigarette genie is out of the bottle. Batteries are a non issue, atomizers are a little harder but hardly insurmountable, PG and VG are non-issues, and pushed hard enough, everyone will know how to do the nicotine.

I expect one of two things to happen. 1) Since the "wrong" palms are being greased, a ban, or 2) they'll fix it so the "right" palms are being greased.

The FDA, as I interpret it, is really very panicked, the interests they serve are NOT being served by e-cigarettes. Their "science" thus far has been laughed out of the room when subjected to anything resembling peer review, and they've resorted to a good old-fashioned FUD (fear, uncertainly, doubt) campaign to try to scare the public into being afraid of these things so they can ride to the rescue and save us from our fears.

[Justncredible]

And what of the nicotine extraction from tomato plants? Or other nightshade family plants?

And agreed on the FDA role in business. Some poeple just can not understand how intrusive our government can be and what motives they have. I think it has little to do with money.

[need_2quit]

Originally Posted by dave8944

Here is a link: Raw Tobacco Leaves : Rollyourown.com, One Stop RYO Tobacco Shop

Just what I needed too as my dad is a very experienced chemist who is in the process of setting up a lab for nicotine extraction. If he can get it to work properly I'll post his recommendations for a DIY method. I've sent him posts from here and the sciences discussion board and he was not impressed at all.

we have 5 tobacco plants burley, virginia, etc in our garden. They have doubled in size since this picture and since flowered .... we cut the top flowers and are hanging them to dry. They're heirloom plants, so the seeds will be good.

You're supposed to cut the leaves from the bottom up as they turn yellow. Cutting the seeds helps the leaves to grow larger and age adding sugars to the leaves, I guess to break down the leaves further?

This is our first test of tobacco plants in a small home garden, so we only grew a few. We planned to build a curing chamber (very easy to do), but now that I no longer smoke analogs, not sure what we'll do with them.

Any ideas?

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Originally Posted by Justncredible

And what of the nicotine extraction from tomato plants? Or other nightshade family plants?

If you want to see movie stars, you go to Hollywood. While you can find them elsewhere, they're mostly in Hollywood. Same goes with nicotine, if you want to find a lot of it, you're looking at tobacco.

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Originally Posted by need_2quit

we have 5 tobacco plants burley, virginia, etc in our garden. They have doubled in size since this picture and since flowered .... we cut the top flowers and are hanging them to dry. They're heirloom plants, so the seeds will be good.

You're supposed to cut the leaves from the bottom up as they turn yellow. Cutting the seeds helps the leaves to grow larger and age adding sugars to the leaves, I guess to break down the leaves further?

This is our first test of tobacco plants in a small home garden, so we only grew a few. We planned to build a curing chamber (very easy to do), but now that I no longer smoke analogs, not sure what we'll do with them.

Any ideas?

As far as growing tobacco for smoking, there are a lot of things you need to do with the cut leaf to get it right. I'm not sure, but I don't think any nicotine increase occurs during curing, so if you're growing tobacco for extraction, perhaps just getting it dried quickly is sufficient?