DIY e-liquid and nicotine extract method

[mcastles]

Hello!

I thought I would post this because I think I have thought of a great method for making really good e-liquid. A while ago I was curious of ways to extract nicotine from tobacco, but I found that a lot of people where very cautious of doing that sort of thing. So eventually I did find a way, safe in doing so? Most likely yes! But to a certain degree. What I found out Googling different ways of doing it, I found out just adding plain water to tobacco would make a sort of liquid tobacco solution.


For 24 hours I had soaked water in natural Canadian tobacco (I did some research and found that most Canadian tobacco is additive free which was good to find out.) in a salt shaker and then I squeezed out the solution out
of the salt shaker and using a coffee filter, filtered out all of the liquid.
I ended up with 25 ml of tobacco liquid extract.

I was a little scared handling it since nicotine is a dangerous substance I even heard that I could die even touching pure nicotine.

So yes I was a brave boy and went with my instincts that the solution was not going to be concentrated enough to do harm to me, the conclusion was I did spill some of the extract on my hands and did not harm me in any way.

The solution was very black and that was from about 10 cigarettes of tobacco filled to the top in a salt shaker filled with water to the top soaked
for 24 hours. (though if someone where to try this I wouldn't go more than 24 hours since the longer the water is soaking in the tobacco it would make a much more concentrated solution of nicotine.

So how did it taste? was there a hit?

The taste was not a tobacco taste, it tasted like something dry.
The nicotine hit? It was and seemed to be the same as a normal cigarette.
But I just smoked a real cigarette before I inhaled from the e-smoke, I could
have been experiencing the after effects of the real one.

I did not have any vegetable glycerin but I did order from Ebay a two ounce bottle of it for it to have simulated smoke, that I plan to test again and mix the glycerin with my 25 ml tobacco extract, I don't know what would be a good measurement, maybe 25 ml of the tobacco extract and 10 ml of vegetable glycerin, I think I might add a couple drops of vanilla extract to the mix.

Hopefully! When I receive the rest of ingredients in the mail and then mix it I will have a cheap and affordable way of a great DIY e-liquid.

So, stay tuned! It may be a week or so when I get the stuff in the mail.
I will post the conclusion of this experiment in this thread within that time!

Cheers!

[Denni]

There are several tips for soaking/boiling tobacco in the DIY e-liquid forum, but the problem with all of these is that it's impossible to tell how much nicotine is in the finished product. To my knowledge thee is no way of easily assessing that.

I'm probably going to experiment anyway at some stage. Good point that Canadian tobacco is additive-free mcastles, most cigarette tobacco (and some pipe tobacco) contains tons of additives which are good for neither lungs nor atomisers

[mcastles]

Yea, I too have seen other ways explained of extracting nicotine in this forum. One way explained was a pretty sure way I think it was using alcohol
and some kind of paper, I myself wouldn't go that rout, I don't know enough
to risk extracting nicotine like that, since the outcome would be to handle pure nicotine.. From what I have read, it relies on the amount of time the mix is soaked, which makes sense because the longer it soaked the more the ingredients of the tobacco is released time after time.

I was more sure about just soaking it in water using just 10 cigarettes which I believed cut my exposer to nicotine lower.

I hope my way works. I would end up saving a lot of money.

[mcastles]

Well It's been more than a week since I last posted. But Here is an update.
I finally got some vegetable glycerin in the mail a couple days ago.
The nicotine extract I made was carefully kept in the fridge for the remaining period until I was able to get the last two ingredients (Vegetable Glycerin and some Vanilla extract)

What I did was got all the ingredients and decided how much of each I should add. I thought about a half an ounce of the tabacco liquid extract and half an ounce of vegetable glycerin and finally I thought one quarter of an ounce of vanilla extract.

The results?

1.It did have a hint of vanilla flavor per drag
2.lots of simulated smoke there was
3.As for the nicotine high? Hmm, it was not all
that great.. Unfortunately. Because, out of
all honesty I don't know if I had one..LoL
I might have felt something or it could have just
been something else..Not sure at all

And to be more honest, since I am not a certified
chemist or what not.. I was a little afraid of this
experiment, even though I thought absorbing tobacco
in water would be safe enough and do the trick.

So.. I suppose the right word to use for this experiment
is - Inconclusive.

But I have not used the e-liquid all that much, maybe I
will know more about it the more I smoke it over time
and notice hopefully a nicotine "high" so to speak.

:/

[mcastles]

I have been reading a little about what people have said about nicotine extraction.
The number one thing everyone seems to be talking about is "how much".
I can think of one way of determining how much nicotine is extracted for example
"soaking it in water".

Here's my calculations:

10 cigarettes (additive free tobacco) soaking in approx 1.5 ounces of water
for 24 hours in my case I used a small salt shaker for the process.
If you think about it I used 10 cigarette tobacco in approx 1.5 ounces
of water soaking for 24 hours (I can think that within the 24 hours, all
of the nicotine is out of the plant and in the water by that time), since
the atomizer evaporates the final tobacco extract (approx 25 ml) I can
imagine most likely 1/10 of 1ml of the tobacco liquid extract is then air
born once it heats up. So if 25 ml of tobacco extract and I have 1/10 of
1ml multiplied by 25 ml is 250 multiplied by 25 ml: thats over 6000 puffs
(much less than 10 real cigarettes).

Plus! If I were to add more ingredients: Another 25 ml of vegetable glycerin
and 12 ml of vanilla extract it would increase the amount of puffs and lessen
the nicotine intake per drag.

I think this kind calculation gives a general idea how much nicotine is in each puff
of this experiment..

Just a ball park figure.

[Tetsab]

To be honest I'd be very careful, I'm not at all sure that you can equate the amount of nicotine you'd get from smoking a cigarette to the amount you would extract by soaking it.

I can't quote a source, but quite a few years ago I was told that if you ATE a pack of cigarettes instead of smoking them it was poisonous enough to kill you or at least make you very sick indeed.

Just my fourpence worth (inflation, donchaknow) as I'd LOVE to find out about a reliable, safe and not-too-messy way of making my own!

[mcastles]

Yea.. I was care full. I wouldn't want anyone to condone this sort of thing.
My risk was a bit less risky because I think I researched it well and gave it a good good
thought about it. Equating hmm.. Don't know either..lol But I did go though with it.. :/

[stephensea]

I believe that the correct (and perhaps the only accurate) way to measure the volume/density/strength of the nicotine in e-liquid produced by DIY'ers is the same as the method used by the labs testing the conventional cigarettes for RJ, Philp, et.

You would need to measure the nicotine content present in the "end product", which is SMOKE for conventional tobacco products and VAPOR for e-Cig products.

Parts Per Million (ppm) is likely to be a reasonable measure criteria.

The results are noted and used to manipulate and make adjustments between the raw material (tobacco, treated with water, chemicals, flavorings or whatever) and the "end product" (SMOKE or VAPOR respectively)

Most University labs are equipped with Spectrum Analyzers and/or other instruments that can determine these numbers for you. You might try approaching the dean or dept. head and offering your assistance and participation for a "research project" (student credits for enrollees???) in exchange for the data you seek.

Just a thought -

Stephen

[rlorange]

Hello just a quick note but I think you will like!

Nicotine patches have 140mg of nicotine in them which is easily extracted with a little alcohol or pure acetone (which will all evaporate later)

Simply soak a patch in acteone and let evaporate in eye dropper bottle you will be left with pure nicotine crystals (and maybe some glue, have to work out how to get rid of that!)

then add glycerine and flavour to the bottle to disolve. No carcinogenic tobacco extract stuff, measured dose, one patch makes a few mls.

hmmmmmm

[katink]

Originally Posted by rlorange

Hello just a quick note but I think you will like!

Nicotine patches have 140mg of nicotine in them which is easily extracted with a little alcohol or pure acetone (which will all evaporate later)

Simply soak a patch in acteone and let evaporate in eye dropper bottle you will be left with pure nicotine crystals (and maybe some glue, have to work out how to get rid of that!)

then add glycerine and flavour to the bottle to disolve. No carcinogenic tobacco extract stuff, measured dose, one patch makes a few mls.

hmmmmmm

Which nicotine patches (strength of them how they are sold) would that be please?