Any interest in determining nicotine--by DVAP

[kinabaloo]

I don't know about anyone else, but I have to wonder with all the gabillions of dollars Philip Morris has poured into researching a safer smoke, they haven't even come CLOSE to the technology vapers are enjoying. I'm one of those people who tried the Eclipse dud they developed. UGH, the taste of those things was NASTY. If they are opposing the PV, I just have to wonder if they aren't kicking themselves for not coming up with something similar (or even close to the relatively elegant design of our PVs). Major DUH to Philip Morris and the rest of the corporate tobacco goons.

afaik, there's no reason that they cannot enter the market as e-liquid makers.

[Vaporer]

Here ya go Kin,

"You'll also find that ammonia is a common ingredient that is often added to your cigarette. Ammonia is toxic, and you may recognize the scent very easily; it is a common ingredient for use in commercial cleansers. For cigarettes, you'll find that ammonia is used to help the nicotine get absorbed through your lungs more quickly. You'll find that this can give your cigarette more of a punch, and your brain will be able to process a larger amount of nicotine with each puff."

Daily Blog Buzz: What Goes Into Commercial Cigarettes?

[DVap]

afaik, there's no reason that they cannot enter the market as e-liquid makers.

True, but a host of reasons why they likely won't.

[kinabaloo]

Here ya go Kin,

"You'll also find that ammonia is a common ingredient that is often added to your cigarette. Ammonia is toxic, and you may recognize the scent very easily; it is a common ingredient for use in commercial cleansers. For cigarettes, you'll find that ammonia is used to help the nicotine get absorbed through your lungs more quickly. You'll find that this can give your cigarette more of a punch, and your brain will be able to process a larger amount of nicotine with each puff."

Daily Blog Buzz: What Goes Into Commercial Cigarettes?

I knew that, but for a moment I thought we were talking some kind of e-cig.

[kinabaloo]

True, but a host of reasons why they likely won't.

It wouldn't be good for our image. Though it would give them a reason not to oppose (so strongly) a competitor to analogs.

Still not clear if the highly purified nic is ever not from tobacco (i.e. synthetic). So in a way, perhaps they are already part of the market.

ps: the MIBs have left now, just said not to mention the cow dung again.

Oh s*** !

[Vaporer]

Liz,

I wouldn't be surprized if BT didn't release thier own version and I'd bet alot of all this crap going on is the reason.
FDA restricts all foreign imports of PV's and e liquid while BT tools thiers up and then the FDA will say....ok........."you can sell your because you follow our rules and pay us big $ !"
Wouldn't surprize me in the least.

Seems odd all the ingredients are FDA approved, not just for this purpose or this particular combination. You know BT has lost a ton of money already to vaping. What if it REALLY caught on?

[TheLizinator]

afaik, there's no reason that they cannot enter the market as e-liquid makers

Well, you'd think, wouldn't you? Are they really that dense that they can't see how they've had tunnel vision all these years about replacing tobacco with something far more innocuous? Their "3rd generation" electrical heated cigarette seems so archaic compared to our rapidly evolving vapers. What's wrong with them that they would leave themselves spinning their wheels while the market is being flooded with new and improved versions of the e-cig? Just makes no sense to me.

[kinabaloo]

Well, you'd think, wouldn't you? Are they really that dense that they can't see how they've had tunnel vision all these years about replacing tobacco with something far more innocuous? Their "3rd generation" electrical heated cigarette seems so archaic compared to our rapidly evolving vapers. What's wrong with them that they would leave themselves spinning their wheels while the market is being flooded with new and improved versions of the e-cig? Just makes no sense to me.

The device is patented, but can be licensed for a small fee per unit or a lump sum, or something.

But juice is not under patent, afaik.

But as DVap intimated, BT is heavily invested in analogs and they'd like to stick with that (although it's only going t go down, one way or another).

[DVap]

It wouldn't be good for our image. Though it would give them a reason not to oppose (so strongly) a competitor to analogs.

Still not clear if the highly purified nic is ever not from tobacco (i.e. synthetic). So in a way, perhaps they are already part of the market.

ps: the MIBs have left now, just said not to mention the cow dung again.

Oh s*** !

I'd guess that the highly purified nicotine is natural. The price of optically pure (+)-nicotine (the non-natural version) is outragious. Optically pure (-)-nicotine from a synthetic route would likely be similarly outragious. Common sense would seem to dictate that if you have an optically pure source (tobacco), you wouldn't muck about with an involved synthesis (that would then require purification). You'd start with the natural material and purify from there. IMO.

[exogenesis]

About pharma-grade nicotine source, from the person who probably knows best:

Nicotine in TW liquid versus Nicotine Gum and Patches

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Except for smoking, chewing and other uses of tobacco, I was wondering where the nicotine is coming from in its various uses like TW liquid and quit-smoking products in pharmacies (chemists) or by prescription
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It is all extracted from tobacco - whether it's served up in gum, patches, tamponhalators, lozenges, nicowater or ejuice. It is possible to synthesize nicotine, but it's not remotely cost effective for industrial of pharmaceutical applications (last time I looked, a few synthesized forms were available in mg quantities from some of the larger chemical companies for typically >100x the cost of tobacco-extracted nicotine of even pharmaceutical purity.)
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Plus other info in that post about 'tobacco-specific nitrosamines' (TSNA's)

I think I said somewhere I thought might be synthetic , but it's not.