Any interest in determining nicotine--by DVAP

[Vaporer]

exo,

To reinforce what you said I'd been looking into the specific flavorings used in tobacco for the tobacco flavors. Virginia, Burley, Hilton, Flu Cured...etc.....
Seems the Chinese make the major portion of all these. 2 main companies keep coming up. DeKang and BioTech in China. The fact they make the flavoring (ie, Essential Oil of Tobacco(Virginia) strongly indicates that these flavors are made from actual cured tobacco.
Digging deep into these companies sites, they are not fly by night operations, but use highly sophisticated methods for production.
The fact that the FDA's randon sngle sample test that found 1 of 18 with DEG and TSNA's lower than the FDA's approved NicInhaler give me a high confidense level.
Nice of the FDA to say they were found, but failed to state they were lower than thier approved present product ...huh?
Since these companies sell high concentrations of nic to be cut down by suppliers leaves room for substandard ingredients to be added. I have no problem with the FDA testing the incoming product and restricting suppliers with bad track records of contamination.
I doubt anyone would argue this. We all want to vape a clean a product as possible.
The outright ban they request suggests alterior motives are involved here. With all the ingredients in e liquid already on the FDA's GRAS list they could just require all e liquid be directed to a given point at customs for random batch testing prior to admittance/distribution into the country prior to final destination shipping. IMHO
Sure sounds easy compared to this boondoggle court case to me.
If they did this, I'd actually feel like the FDA was doing thier job, protecting my health, and still letting me have my choice.

[kinabaloo]

Vaporer - yes, agree.

[DVap]

Since these companies sell high concentrations of nic to be cut down by suppliers leaves room for substandard ingredients to be added. I have no problem with the FDA testing the incoming product and restricting suppliers with bad track records of contamination.

This is a crucial point with all liquids.

Every Dekang sample (for example) I've determined has been spot on. This is a company with the ability and motivation to do things right, especially with the Chinese government taking a dimmer and dimmer view of hazardous & harmful exports of products that are supposed to be safe. Their country's export reputation has taken some highly publicized black eyes recently, and proverbial heads are being rolled.

But when Dekang's products get into the hands of the middlemen, it can still be the wild west... whether that middleman be in China or elsewhere.

[Vaporer]

Yes, that is true.
Testing at the customs point would assure the main vein of incoming supply.
The FDA should be randomly aquiring samples from US suppliers just as a regular customer would and test them.
Many US suppliers cut thier stock or make special blends and unwanted constituients could be added there from substandard or contaminated additives.
The FDA could come out looking good, doing thier job as we expect them to, and gain some well needed respect.

[DVap]

The FDA could come out looking good, doing thier job as we expect them to, and gain some well needed respect.

You are forgetting the relationship between the FDA, it's "consumers", and it's "customers".

A perspective offered to me recently by a friend...

Why is dog food meaty colored? The consumer (the dog) couldn't care less if the food was green with blue bits in it, he's a dicromat. No it's the human customer who buys the food who would be turned off by dull grey dog food even though the human is not the consumer.

Why is there not a decent junk mail opt-out system at place at the post office, because you are the consumer of the service, not the customer. How often do you send first class mail? How often do you send ANY class of mail? Who sends most of the mail and pays for the most postage? Second and third class junk mailers, that's who. They are the customer.

Take the FDA, are the citizens of the US their customers? No, we are the consumers. Their customers are the pharmaceutical companies, the tobacco companies, the government's agenda. Who do you think the FDA wants to keep happy?

The moment you take your eyes off the money, you've lost sight of the ball.

[Vaporer]

Don't yell at me...(the bold font) lol
The system is broken and doesn't work right. I did enjoy your diatribe though.

Look at what you quoted from me......

"The FDA could come out looking good, doing thier job as we expect them to, and gain some well needed respect"

I don't think you read it with the intent it was put forth with.

[DVap]

Don't yell at me...(the bold font) lol
The system is broken and doesn't work right. I did enjoy your diatribe though.

Look at what you quoted from me......

"The FDA could come out looking good, doing thier job as we expect them to, and gain some well needed respect"

I don't think you read it with the intent it was put forth with.

Phhht. That was a quote.

They could, but again, we are not their customers, so they won't. That's all I'm saying.

[DVap]

I've done a couple more tests over the weekend for U.S.A. based suppliers.

As I've come to expect from them, the liquids submitted to me for testing by midwestvapor.com and myfreedomsmokes.com both tested at the full advertised nicotine potency.

[Vaporer]

Exactly, they are looking out for themselves first not us.

This is a group that made Cheerios remove the "lowers cholesterol" , "good for your heart" no commercials, advertizing and associated stuff as of late.
Oats have been proven to and oatmeal has been proven to but even though Cheerios are oats , in a different shape, they haven't been tested in that shape......so "take it off"....and they did.

Don't pffft me either

Edit: Glad to see you back to work after kicking the dog........lol

[DVap]

Don't pffft me either

Nonsense, I didn't pffft you, I phhht'ed you.