Has anybody read this at Totally Wicked?

[supertrkre2812]

I was on totally Wicked's website and decided to read their lab report.

If i am not mistaken in my number crunching, according to their own test results, you are getting 18mg/ml of nicotine in their 36mg/ml juice.

Please correct me if i am wrong, but i believe that inorder to have 36mg/ml, you need a concentration of 3.6% nicotine.

Here is a copy & paste of their own test results.
It came from totallywicked - eliquid dot com / about-the-fluid / lab-reports dot html
Sorry, I can not post links yet.


Analysis of the Content of Totally Wicked ESmoking
Liquid supplied by Pill Box 38 (UK) Ltd

A sample of Totally Wicked ESmoking Liquid was supplied to Scientific Analysis Laboratories Limited, to determine the percentage level of nicotine it contained and other compounds present. The sample was analysed by Gas Chromatography – Mass Spectrometry.
The sample supplied was a 30ml bottle of 36mg Super High eliquid.

The Nicotine level was found to be : 1.8% (w/w).
The following pages of this report, give a more detailed breakdown of the analysis and details of other
compounds found.
Note: On the following pages the term “LOD” means Limit of Detection, this is the lowest amount of a sample that can be
detected using the technique GC/MS (Gas Chromatography Mass
Spectrometry).


If i am right, this is not good.

Opinions?

[Vapinginjapan]

Propylene glycol is 1.036 grams/ml.

If you assume that nicotine is 1 (It's 1.01) then 1.8% turns out to be approximatley 18.6MG/ML.

Pretty far off the mark, I would say.

[lawnman3]

I love it the truth comes out

[Scottes]

Weird that they'd publish that their 36mg juice is actually 18mg.

Weird that nobody's mentioned this before.

[Scottes]

Yeah, this has been discussed. It seems to be 36mg.
Totally wicked >>>>new lab report

I'm not done reading the thread yet though.

[Scottes]

Well, I'm finished, and it seems like the lab reported it as 1.8% w/w, which *could* mean that it's 29mg/ml according to one user, but a degreed chemist states that it's 18mg/gm, which is very, very close to 18mg/ml. The last post from Pillbox38 states that he plans on getting another report done, but that hasn't happened yet. As it's only been 3 months since that report came out I'd have to assume that another one will be coming.

[emus]

Yeah, this has been discussed. It seems to be 36mg.
Totally wicked >>>>new lab report

I'm not done reading the thread yet though.

Read reply #28 by Vapn:

"This is coming from a degreed chemist. 1.8% (w/w) is 18 mg/g.
The density of nicotine and propylene glycol are both so close to 1 g/mL, as to effectively BE 1 g/mL.
When the laboratory reports 1.8% (w/w), they are reporting 18 mg/mL.
Unless they've misquoted units, they've reported the liquid at 18 mg.

So either the lab was right and the sample liquid was 18 mg or the lab was wrong."

[supertrkre2812]

Glad to know that my math was right, but that kind of makes me wonder just how many people have been screwed by this? I am just like everyone else, i am looking for a way to buy high nic and cut it so i can save money. I guess i will use my "contact" and get a little 99% pure and cut it myself using USP PG and VG at 99.7% pure. BTW, i am an adult, know what it is, and how dangerous it is, and am trained and licensed to haul it, and handle it. If you do not want to mess with it, then don't. I have not, nor will i hire a nanny, so all nanny's stay away.

[DaMulta]

It's 36Mg, it's a different type of math. I forget where it's at, but it has been explaned before how that reads 36Mg.

[DVap]

I like that vapn guy.. he's pretty smart. He looks a lot like me back before I discovered this forum.

No, it's not a different type of math, the explanation that made 1.8% = 3.6% was gibberish, it made no sense to me and nobody stepped forward who could make it make sense to me. Until and unless someone can make it make sense to me, I stand by my conclusion that 1.8% = 1.8%.

I will say here that much of what follows is speculation, and I truly don't have enough information to make blanket statements about their products. One statement I can make is that regardless of possible inconsistency, their liquids are outstanding from a vaping standpoint.

I've been hesitant to state it publicly, but the 36 mg liquid that I tested at around 28 mg was TW's unflavored 36 mg liquid. Though I've not had an opportunity to test their stuff in a long time, I have a strong suspicion that they found out the answer to questions about what their supplier was giving them, and based on the silence, I'm guessing that answer was, "inconsistent potency".

That being said, they were at the mercy of a supplier's assurance as to the potency of their concentrate. I don't believe they're going to be blindly trusting going forward, no e-liquid producer should be. Perhaps they've hired a good lab to do their determinations to avoid any possible bruising to their reputation, perhaps they've cribbed my determination procedure from the nicotine determination thread here. Whatever, they've done, more power to them if they're not blindly trusting their supplier(s) any longer. Their reputation depends on reliability, and they know that. If they've been bitten in the past by a supplier, they are surely much wiser and cautious for the experience... they have absolutely no motivation to not be more cautious and less trusting.

I would be very surprised if their newer high-end platinum ice line (UK sourced start to finish) has any problem whatsoever (except for the ambitious price they want for it, but some folks pay it gladly, so to each his own). I would also be very surprised if they've not righted any inconsistency with the potency of their standard product line.

If you like their liquids, and you don't mind the price, I say go with TW and don't look back.