Fog machine Fog Juice is PG right? - E-Cigarette Forum

robw · 12-25-2008, 02:00 AM

Just wondering.

Can it be used for DIY e-liquid?

Kate · 12-25-2008, 02:03 AM

I wouldn't Rob unless you're sure it's food grade and not industrial grade, there might be toxic impurities.

robw · 12-25-2008, 02:11 AM

Thats good to know, ill stay away from it. I just happened to have 2 gallons of it in the garage left over from halloween.

Kate · 12-25-2008, 02:17 AM

Yeah, it might be ok but unless you're sure it's a big risk. We breathe high concentrations of this stuff when we vape for long periods of time, I don't think fog juice is formulated for that sort of heavy use.

robw · 12-25-2008, 03:33 AM

Hey Kate, where does the nicotine come from for people who DIY juice?

MagusSteele · 12-25-2008, 06:39 AM

Chemically its the same, but its normally 10x the water content, and, its not as pure, with different ingredients.
Once in a rare while i would see the poisonous variety mixed in, in the jugs of fog juice.
The exact breakdown can be gotten, normally, from the place you bought it, or from the manufacturer. Here in the US they SHOULD have Haz.Mat. sheets on file inorder to sell it.
The manufacturers normally will post it on their sites as well.

Like with Ecigs, the cheaper the fluid, the worse it used to be.

Also, It always had a Raidiator Fluid taste to it, which by it self isnt bad, because the "Green" stuff is made from a form of PG or VG, but, it BURNED like acid on the tounge which means it MAY have had PEG mixed in.
In the past i found makes that when you looked was basicly Raidiator fluid.
If it is the bad kind, it will burn the eyes, and have a REAL bad burnt smell, like someone BarBQed Stink Weed. Or (hard to put into words) Burnt Cloriphorm? Burnt Green? you get the idea.
Bottom line, Do Not Trust Fog Juice For E-cig Liquid, unless you know FOR SURE where it came from, and whats in it.

I bought, used, and made Hundreds of Gallons of the stuff in my career in Clubs.
If you bought it for halloween, its probably Garbage.

Oh,just thought, if it says do NOT induce vomiting on the lable, its battery acid.

MagusSteele · 12-25-2008, 06:39 AM

DYI nic, comes from tobacco, OFC

Theres a whole section on that here.

MagusSteele · 12-25-2008, 07:01 AM

Found a Couple links for you to give a good over view of Fog Fluid.
I know 2 of these brands, not sure of the other.

Again, the Cheap stuff may not be the same, but, anyway, the links for the fun of it

10. Fog and Smoke | Safety Guidelines for the Live Performance Industry in Ontario | Ontario Ministry of Labour

Theatre Effects - Fog Fluid
http://www.theatrefx.com/msds_fogfluid.pdf

http://www.martin.com/marketing/files/ifog%20LAV.pdf

Kate · 12-25-2008, 11:45 AM

Some people extract their own nic from tobacco products - potentially dangerous and there's no way to know how strong it is.

I can't be bothered with that, I buy my nic as high strength commercial eliquid and dilute it.

Ripley · 12-26-2008, 02:34 PM

RobW

I thought the same thing about Fog Juice, and out of curiosity read the ingredients. EWW, there were ALOT of other chemicals in fog juice in addition to the PG.

If you can find a Tractor Supply, they carry 100% USP Grade PG (used for bovine ketosis) for $18.99/gal. Even with 2 vapers in the house, it will take us FOREVER to go through that.

On an interesting side-note, in my search for PG for purchase Retail. I found that it's also use to make hunting lures (scents).

12-25-2008, 02:00 AM	#1
robw Super Member ECF Veteran Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Austin Texas Posts: 648 Blog Entries: 2	Fog machine Fog Juice is PG right? Just wondering. Can it be used for DIY e-liquid? __________________

12-25-2008, 02:11 AM	#3
robw Super Member ECF Veteran Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Austin Texas Posts: 648 Blog Entries: 2	Thats good to know, ill stay away from it. I just happened to have 2 gallons of it in the garage left over from halloween. __________________

12-25-2008, 03:33 AM	#5
robw Super Member ECF Veteran Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Austin Texas Posts: 648 Blog Entries: 2	Hey Kate, where does the nicotine come from for people who DIY juice? __________________

12-26-2008, 02:34 PM	#10
Ripley Full Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Dallas Metro, TX Posts: 93	RobW I thought the same thing about Fog Juice, and out of curiosity read the ingredients. EWW, there were ALOT of other chemicals in fog juice in addition to the PG. If you can find a Tractor Supply, they carry 100% USP Grade PG (used for bovine ketosis) for $18.99/gal. Even with 2 vapers in the house, it will take us FOREVER to go through that. On an interesting side-note, in my search for PG for purchase Retail. I found that it's also use to make hunting lures (scents). __________________ -Ripley

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12-25-2008, 02:03 AM	#2
Kate Moved On Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: UK Posts: 7,336	I wouldn't Rob unless you're sure it's food grade and not industrial grade, there might be toxic impurities.

12-25-2008, 02:17 AM	#4
Kate Moved On Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: UK Posts: 7,336	Yeah, it might be ok but unless you're sure it's a big risk. We breathe high concentrations of this stuff when we vape for long periods of time, I don't think fog juice is formulated for that sort of heavy use.

12-25-2008, 06:39 AM	#6
MagusSteele Super Member ECF Veteran Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: NorthCoast, Cleveland, OH, USA, Terra, Sol System Posts: 536	Chemically its the same, but its normally 10x the water content, and, its not as pure, with different ingredients. Once in a rare while i would see the poisonous variety mixed in, in the jugs of fog juice. The exact breakdown can be gotten, normally, from the place you bought it, or from the manufacturer. Here in the US they SHOULD have Haz.Mat. sheets on file inorder to sell it. The manufacturers normally will post it on their sites as well. Like with Ecigs, the cheaper the fluid, the worse it used to be. Also, It always had a Raidiator Fluid taste to it, which by it self isnt bad, because the "Green" stuff is made from a form of PG or VG, but, it BURNED like acid on the tounge which means it MAY have had PEG mixed in. In the past i found makes that when you looked was basicly Raidiator fluid. If it is the bad kind, it will burn the eyes, and have a REAL bad burnt smell, like someone BarBQed Stink Weed. Or (hard to put into words) Burnt Cloriphorm? Burnt Green? you get the idea. Bottom line, Do Not Trust Fog Juice For E-cig Liquid, unless you know FOR SURE where it came from, and whats in it. I bought, used, and made Hundreds of Gallons of the stuff in my career in Clubs. If you bought it for halloween, its probably Garbage. Oh,just thought, if it says do NOT induce vomiting on the lable, its battery acid.

12-25-2008, 06:39 AM	#7
MagusSteele Super Member ECF Veteran Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: NorthCoast, Cleveland, OH, USA, Terra, Sol System Posts: 536	DYI nic, comes from tobacco, OFC Theres a whole section on that here.

12-25-2008, 07:01 AM	#8
MagusSteele Super Member ECF Veteran Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: NorthCoast, Cleveland, OH, USA, Terra, Sol System Posts: 536	Found a Couple links for you to give a good over view of Fog Fluid. I know 2 of these brands, not sure of the other. Again, the Cheap stuff may not be the same, but, anyway, the links for the fun of it 10. Fog and Smoke \| Safety Guidelines for the Live Performance Industry in Ontario \| Ontario Ministry of Labour Theatre Effects - Fog Fluid http://www.theatrefx.com/msds_fogfluid.pdf http://www.martin.com/marketing/files/ifog%20LAV.pdf

12-25-2008, 11:45 AM	#9
Kate Moved On Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: UK Posts: 7,336	Some people extract their own nic from tobacco products - potentially dangerous and there's no way to know how strong it is. I can't be bothered with that, I buy my nic as high strength commercial eliquid and dilute it.