Lorann or Bickford: What's better?

[Nadia Maximus]

I'm trying to decide and want to choose the best one. Please Help?

[Bond, James Bond]

Both great.
Lorann makeks very concentrated oils. lorann also has big collection of great flavors.
Make sure you order pg based oils, no artificial coloring .
pralines and cream , coconut , honey ,orange ,bubblegum ,butterscotch. to name a few .
I use also Bickford , strawberry is great . bickford is not as concentrated as lorann, .

[GabbyD]

I've only used Lorann so far. I've read here that they are stronger than Bickford.
If you look at the Lorann ones, make sure you don't get the oils - well, they call them "Lorann Oils" but only some are oil. Get the water soluble ones. Apparently oil would screw up an atomizer.

I know some here are doing more complicated mixes and making their own liquid. All I'm doing with the Lorann is taking a tiny insulin syringe and drawing up a few drops and putting it right into my cartridge along with e-liquid. Mmmm! That flavor lasts a long time. I only top off with the e-liquid after that, for at least the rest of the day, and I'm still tasting the Lorann flavor. I'm about to order some more. So far I'm just trying out the English Toffee. There are some ebay sellers with great deals. One even has a mix & match of 12 or 24 flavors for a good price compared to my local craft store.

Happy tasting!

[Nadia Maximus]

Awesome, thanks friends! I ordered lorann:
Caramel
Cheesecake
Cinnamon Roll
English Toffe
Pralines And Cream
Bavarian Creme Flavor (Vanilla)
Pomegranate

I plan on mixing it with high food grade kosher vegetable glycerin. I'll let you know what I think.

[Kate]

I'm sure you'll like making your own Nadia, there are some very yummy flavours around. Go easy with the LorAnn ones at first, they can be strong but they are all different.

You may have already found this thread but just in case LorAnn candy flavours

[Satire]

I don't know if you have already bought the VG, but I would suggest PG instead, it is cheap and very available online and some stores, and has been tested in long-term high-vapor-concentration exposure 6hr/day 5day/wk for 2 yr with no mutation body chemistry changes or the like. The MSDS from sigma-aldrich (a chemical supply company, they are required by law to have an information sheet with exposure/health info) had this to say on the subject of chronic exposure to VG:
"CHRONIC EXPOSURE - MUTAGEN
Species: Human
Dose: 200 MMOL/L
Cell Type: lymphocyte
Mutation test: DNA inhibition
[The EPA is waiting on further tests to confirm this according to their website, but why take risks on something that has shown signs of DNA inhibition in human cells in a clinical trial? alteration of any process or structure in the DNA replication cycle is step one in the birth of a tumor.]
Species: Rat
Route: Oral
Dose: 1 GM/KG
Mutation test: Cytogenetic analysis
CHRONIC EXPOSURE - REPRODUCTIVE HAZARD
Species: Rat
Dose: 100 MG/KG
Route of Application: Oral
Exposure Time: (1D MALE)
Result: Effects on Fertility: Post-implantation mortality (e.g.,
dead and/or resorbed implants per total number of implants).
Species: Rat
Dose: 280 MG/KG
Route of Application: Intratesticular
Exposure Time: (2D MALE)
Result: Paternal Effects: Spermatogenesis (including genetic
material, sperm morphology,motility, and count). Paternal
Effects: Testes, epididymis, sperm duct.
Species: Rat
Dose: 1600 MG/KG
Route of Application: Intratesticular
Exposure Time: (1D MALE)
Result: Effects on Fertility: Male fertility index (e.g., #
males impregnating females per # males exposed to fertile
nonpregnant females).
Species: Rat
Dose: 862 MG/KG
Route of Application: Intratesticular
Exposure Time: (1D MALE)
Result: Paternal Effects: Spermatogenesis (including genetic
material, sperm morphology,motility, and count).
Species: Monkey
Dose: 119 MG/KG
Route of Application: Intratesticular
[Wow they injected a monkey's package with glycerin, that is wrong in so many ways]
Exposure Time: (1D MALE)
Result: Paternal Effects: Spermatogenesis (including genetic
material, sperm morphology,motility, and count). Paternal
Effects: Testes, epididymis, sperm duct"

And if none of that concerns you, I hear PG contributes less to the overall flavor and allows the flavorings to stand out, and have read some claims that VG has a distinct taste that cannot be masked and will be present in the final flavor (good if you like the taste of VG, bad if you want to taste the flavorings).

[Misty]

I don't know if you have already bought the VG, but I would suggest PG instead, it is cheap and very available online and some stores, and has been tested in long-term high-vapor-concentration exposure 6hr/day 5day/wk for 2 yr with no mutation body chemistry changes or the like. The MSDS from sigma-aldrich (a chemical supply company, they are required by law to have an information sheet with exposure/health info) had this to say on the subject of chronic exposure to VG:

and I just bought VG cause having difficulty finding PG ( in Canada)..do you have any links to suggest where I can get PG that would ship to Canada?
Thanks!
Mist

[ZambucaLu]

So Satire, when you said "but I thought I would give advance warning about the Glycerin mutation capability and if anyone wants the reference for that just msg me, or just wait till I finish the list and I'll put references for it all."

you were talking about VG only? Well I for one am glad to hear that! I just recommended PG to my brother for cutting then became concerned when you mentioned the above. Phew!

Lu

[Misty]

I don't know if you have already bought the VG, but I would suggest PG instead, it is cheap and very available online and some stores, and has been tested in long-term high-vapor-concentration exposure 6hr/day 5day/wk for 2 yr with no mutation body chemistry changes or the like. The MSDS had this to say on the subject of chronic exposure to VG:
"CHRONIC EXPOSURE - MUTAGEN

Satire, was checking out where to get some PG after reading your post and came across MSDS report for PG which sounds as bad as yours about VG

The MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet) for Propylene Glycol says: “May be harmful by ingestion or skin absorption. May cause eye irritation, skin irritation. Chronic exposure can cause gastro-intestinal disturbances, nausea, headache and vomiting, central nervous system depression. (“Toxicological profile for ethylene glycol and propylene glycol (update).” Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry (ATSDR), 1996. Atlanta, Ga; U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Public Health Service.)
Propylene glycol is also used as a solvent in acrylics, stains, inks and dyes, and in cellophane and brake fluid. It is used as a preservative in flavored coffees. PG can have an anesthetic effect. Other side effects on animals exposed to PG include heart arrhythmia, stunted growth, decreased blood pressure, and even death.

[Nadia Maximus]

All this talk is making me think about quitting vaping all together