Vegetable Gylcerin vs Generic Glycerin

[NightShadow]

Does not exist. There is no such animal as "USP VEGETABLE GLYERIN". It may say "Pure Vegetable Source", but they cannot, under any circumstances, say "USP VEGETABLE GLYCERIN". Only "USP GLYCERIN".

Also, I'd like to follow that with "bull****". Regardless of source, it is chemically the same.

Possibilities:

1) VirtualWaver's choice of product was not US Pharma grade. Outside the US, it often happens that counterfeit products are sold. It may have contained DEG.

2) VirtualWaver puffed away like made, constantly sucking it in. Lets be clear on this. It is not air. You are not breathing air when you are inhaling vapor (well, some, but the vapor itself is not).

We can only cover this so many times before frustration sets in.

I obtained the USP statement from manf. website, if you dont agree thats fine.
Here is an example of clealry marketed USP VG: http://www.kicchemicals.com/glycerin.htm


One question however, can something derived from 3 different sources, animal vegetable and chemical while being "CHEMICALLY THE SAME" still affect people who may be allergic to ONE of the base products differently?

And yes since it is from outside it may contain other impurities like the deg or OTHER things.

My point was to suggest trying a more well known / hopefully safer product, and point out the reasons for using this at all. And not get into a debate about how a manufacturer markets or labels a product.

[Scottes]

Regardless of source, it is chemically the same.

I think that you can be assured that it is 99.5% chemically the same as any other USP certified glycerin.

The other half percent can be a number of different things. Actually I think it can be any except a limited number of things known to be dangerous and/or undesirable by the USP. And USP allows it to contain up to 0.1% DEG.

And that half-percent can make a difference and/or have a very noticeable effect.

[NightShadow]

I think that you can be assured that it is 99.5% chemically the same as any other USP certified glycerin.

The other half percent can be a number of different things. Actually I think it can be any except a limited number of things known to be dangerous and/or undesirable by the USP. And USP allows it to contain up to 0.1% DEG.

And that half-percent can make a difference and/or have a very noticeable effect.

If you are buying USP, then yes I agree.

The product originally in question was obtained in Armenia, I am not sure it was USP even though it was bought in a local pharmacy there as I did not note where the OP ever mentioned it was marked as USP.

Regardless of the 3 sources for glycerin (animal vegatable or synthetic)
there IS something in the OP's glycerin he cannot tollerate. It could be a trace element as you note for sure.

I am not so sure it couldn't be the source substance as well as I have read many anecdotal reports from users who have had bad results with animal or vegatable based glycerin but can use the other. It is also possible that thier problems resulted in one of the other things in the glycerine and had nothing to do with the base substance.


My conclusions are:
If one type/brand does not work for you, others may or may not
I won'y buy my glycerin from the guy that obtains it as a by product of an illicit drug lab.

[Darmeen]

If you are buying USP, then yes I agree.

The product originally in question was obtained in Armenia, I am not sure it was USP even though it was bought in a local pharmacy there as I did not note where the OP ever mentioned it was marked as USP.

Regardless of the 3 sources for glycerin (animal vegatable or synthetic)
there IS something in the OP's glycerin he cannot tollerate. It could be a trace element as you note for sure.

I am not so sure it couldn't be the source substance as well as I have read many anecdotal reports from users who have had bad results with animal or vegatable based glycerin but can use the other. It is also possible that thier problems resulted in one of the other things in the glycerine and had nothing to do with the base substance.


My conclusions are:
If one type/brand does not work for you, others may or may not
I won'y buy my glycerin from the guy that obtains it as a by product of an illicit drug lab.

I am going on a guess here (as I have never been to Armenia), but they probably don't have ANYTHING marked USP.

OP, you may be best suited to purchase via the internet some VG that is USP Glycerin...then you would know for sure that the VG you were purchasing is the VG to use.

[NightShadow]

More food for thought on the topic:

This gives a run down on USP, glycerin, glycerine, Glycol, FCC (Food Chemicals Codex) The different grades of glycerin including technical etc.
Why Glycerine USP?

This small snippet relates to how much DEG and EG can be in glycerin and still be USP: Hot Topics: USP Glycerin Information

The same DEG and EG can also be in PG: Hot Topics: USP Propylene Glycol and Sorbitol Solution Information

To me this sheds a lot of light on why some people have adverse reactions. There may be no easy way to tell exactly what is in a given products other few percent, hopefully for those allergic to peanuts that is not included as a special bonus.

[Scottes]

But you can be certain that USP stuff is safe - even if it tastes like soap or gives you a headache, it won't KILL you.

Probably.

[SLDS181]

I obtained the USP statement from manf. website, if you dont agree thats fine.
Here is an example of clealry marketed USP VG: KIC Chemicals, Inc. - Glycerin

And once again, it is "USP Glycerin". It may also say, sourced from, made with, whatever, but it will never say "USP Vegetable Glycerin". They aren't allowed, or they can't call it USP.

One question however, can something derived from 3 different sources, animal vegetable and chemical while being "CHEMICALLY THE SAME" still affect people who may be allergic to ONE of the base products differently?

No. There has to be another factor, the biproducts as a result of each chemically different products, ie: impurities remaining.

There have been people here who have used usp glycerin sourced entirely from vegetable products who have made claims of specific brands being poisonous, toxic, etc, and that it wasn't VG (they based this claim on the fact that it didn't specifically say so on the label). It was, however, vegetable derived glycerin. These discussions have happened so many times already, which is why its a bit infuriating to see it yet again.

And yes since it is from outside it may contain other impurities like the deg or OTHER things.

My point was to suggest trying a more well known / hopefully safer product, and point out the reasons for using this at all. And not get into a debate about how a manufacturer markets or labels a product.

My point was, if they had a reaction like this, it wasn't actually USP Glycerin, its in their head, or they just kept inhaling non-stop. If all you do is puff VG all day long, inhaling all of it, non-stop.... you're going to feel sick. Your head will hurt. Your throat will feel horrible. Your chest will hurt due to irritation.

[SLDS181]

To me this sheds a lot of light on why some people have adverse reactions. There may be no easy way to tell exactly what is in a given products other few percent, hopefully for those allergic to peanuts that is not included as a special bonus.

Which is why those with nut allergies should not be using glycerin - its been covered in the new members section, the health section, etc.

[Scottes]

There has to be another factor, the biproducts as a result of each chemically different products, ie: impurities remaining.
...
My point was, if they had a reaction like this, it wasn't actually USP Glycerin, its in their head, or they just kept inhaling non-stop.

These two sentences seem to go against each other. Or the second sentence should have the following appended: "or they had an issue with any of the remaining impurities."

[SLDS181]

These two sentences seem to go against each other. Or the second sentence should have the following appended: "or they had an issue with any of the remaining impurities."

You're right, that should be added onto the last sentence.

But to meet USP requirements, that should not be a factor.