Help with Vanilla??--The Holy Grail Has Finally been Found with HappyVaper

[Shadowdr]

Ingredients are Water, Alcohol, Artificial flavors.
I have found no proof that heating has any affect on vanillin. I did do a search on vanillin and found relevant MSDS sheets on vanillin in all forms. The form in which was tested or referred to was in a solid form but in all cases heating released only CO and CO2. There was a reference to ethyl alcohol 200 proof as a common shipping ingredient and that this was cause for hazardous shipping warnings and probably the need for an MSDS data sheet. Vanillin or vanilla as both are considered the same by natural structure when shipped with ethyl alcohol 200 proof have a flammable rating with possible invisible flame and possible flashback from a source of ignition.

Perhaps I did not look hard enough but the Material safe handing data sheet seems to refer to commercial amounts that would exceed any amounts encountered except in a workplace that deals with this as an ingredient or it's production.

I cannot answer for anyone else but I found nothing that would concern me about personal use as a flavoring for myself, after all it is a common flavoring often heated as an ingredient in endless food products. In order to taste vanilla you will ingest vanillin but not at levels considered toxic in the MSDS but perhaps I missed something.

[Sun Vaporer]

There is Vanillin which is derived from vanilla extract and then their is imitation vanillin:

"Imitation vanilla is a mixture made from synthetic substances, which imitate part of natural vanilla smell and flavor. Imitation vanilla in the United States comes from synthetic vanillin, which mimics the flavor of natural vanillin, one of the components that gives vanilla its extraordinary bouquet."

The theory being that these synthetic substances, when heated, become toxic. But who knows? I would like to know what commerical e-liquid manufactures use to make their "Vanilla"--------Sun

[tokarev]

There is Vanillin which is derived from vanilla extract and then their is imitation vanillin:

"Imitation vanilla is a mixture made from synthetic substances, which imitate part of natural vanilla smell and flavor. Imitation vanilla in the United States comes from synthetic vanillin, which mimics the flavor of natural vanillin, one of the components that gives vanilla its extraordinary bouquet."

The theory being that these synthetic substances, when heated, become toxic. But who knows? I would like to know what commerical e-liquid manufactures use to make their "Vanilla"--------Sun

It's been a while since I read the original thread, but I don't think Satire called it toxic. Mutagenic was the word he used. IOW, it might cause cancer! (It's still probably safer than analogs, though.)

TT33

[Sun Vaporer]

It's been a while since I read the original thread, but I don't think Satire called it toxic. Mutagenic was the word he used. IOW, it might cause cancer! (It's still probably safer than analogs, though.)

TT33

Tokarev--So the quest continues--I have vanilla beans soaking in VG for 2 months now--one more month and it should be ready to try--hopefully will get a good flavor-------Sun

[Shadowdr]

I picked up some at Walmart the other day, Watkins brand pure Madagascar Bourbon Vanilla extract. They also carry a 2x flavor. It taste very good but I allowed it to sit for a while to let some of the alcohol content evaporate. I just don't want to vape liquor. I ordered 90ml of 36 nic content caramel juice so I will be needing the vanilla to flavor the cut down juice. I haven't really seen any evidence that artificial vanillin is any more harmful then natural vanillin as the physical structure is said to be the same, but better safe then sorry.

[walkman4169]

I have read quite a few posts here with LorAnn flavors but I have not found anyone that has tried LorAnn vanilla? Has anyone tried their vanilla and if so which one? Any help on LorAnn vanilla would be greatly appreciated--Thanks

i would stay away from vanilla sun yuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! oh wait thats just me i hate all vanilla

[MaxPower]

if vanillin was toxic when heated then wouldn't every cake, pie, etc baked in the oven be toxic? also, when used in hard candies and the mixture is heated, wouldn't it become toxic?

I only ask because I just made some rather tasty juice using the wiltons clear vanilla extract.
ingredients - water, alcohol, artificial flavors

[Sun Vaporer]

if vanillin was toxic when heated then wouldn't every cake, pie, etc baked in the oven be toxic? also, when used in hard candies and the mixture is heated, wouldn't it become toxic?

Max--Look up Vanillin and you will see the possible issue with vaping it--Sun

[walkman4169]

if vanillin was toxic when heated then wouldn't every cake, pie, etc baked in the oven be toxic? also, when used in hard candies and the mixture is heated, wouldn't it become toxic?

I only ask because I just made some rather tasty juice using the wiltons clear vanilla extract.
ingredients - water, alcohol, artificial flavors

see i knew it all along

[MaxPower]

sun, the msds sheet you're referring to also says
"if swallowed, seek medical advice immediately" and
"ingestion may cause gastrointestinal tract irritation and affect the cardiovascular system, respiration, liver (jaundice), urinary system, behavior/nervous system (muscle weakness, somnolence, coma)."

I don't think we're talking about the same thing here, or at least not in anywhere near the same potency. If this were the case, every bakery would need a license to get this stuff and it certainly would not be sold in grocery stores. I'm pretty sure chefs that bake all day get some of this on their skin but aren't going to the emergency room at the end of every shift to make sure they aren't going to slip into a coma.

I'm not a chemist, haven't even opened a chemistry book in 10 years, but I think if this msds sheet is referring to the same stuff in the same concentration that we add to food all day long then we're all in a lot more trouble than we realize...might as well go back to analogs because cake is gonna kill me first

I would really like to get the opinion of someone who knows what they're talking about though, because I'm just full of speculation.