glycerin vs. vg

[Tallgirl1974]

Point(s) but obviously the amounts of vapor we are consuming is very high and at a high rate of frequency every day.

I understand you're trying to be helpful-and not for one minute do I take the word of any seller over my own conclusions and research- but my logic will always dictate this: less chemicals (that are not carcinogens) in my lungs is better, period. Glycerin is in cigarettes. Or similar version of it. The way I see it- I kept my nicotine and glycerin- dropped all the other stuff. lol
I take my chances with kidney problems over cancer- I know two people who got new kidneys and are alive- I know ZERO people who got lung cancer and lived. All five died.

[JoeSmog]

Tallgirl,

LOL Coffee--

"
Very high bolus doses (equivalent to 142 cups of coffee consumed by a 60kg person per day) are required for caffeine to have a teratogenic effect in rats. ..."

I stick to 3 cups a day, thank you.

Ditto Alchohol. 2 to 3 drinks per day is GOOD for you.

Cite someting meaningful please.


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Would you put this in your body?:
Toxicology: Harmful if swallowed. Experimental teratogen. Irritant in humans. May affect CNS.

Or this?
Toxicology: Causes skin and eye irritation. Ingestion can cause nausea, vomitting and inebriation; chronic use can cause serious liver damage.

[Kate]

I think we're not likely to have a clearer idea of the scale of the risk without knowing how much exposure we are having (eg. chronic?) and how that relates to recommended safe levels for inhaling.

At the moment we can't be inhaling much more than two or three ml per day and a lot of that will be exhaled.

[JoeSmog]

That's sort of my point. We want to be careful but don't know how as there are two many unknown variables. The body's reaction to a substance is very meaningful: I feel listless, have memory loss and have tingling on the skin when vaping even small amounts. I'll not risk kidney failure or brain damage - whatever - two years down the road because of my _hope_ that this is safer than cigs. Folks on this forum do a disservice when they cite the badness of smoking as an argument to the benefit of vaping ; that is just a distraction and does not dismiss the question of the saftey of PG or VG.

I think I'll try something you mentioned in another thread: vap alchohol/H20 and natural flavoring with no VG or PG. Nix the NIC. (thanks for that suggestion) .. Did you continue that practice or was that just a one time experiment?

DYOD

[Kate]

This thread might be of interest to you: How valid are vaping health claims?

I've vaped alcohol based vanilla extract but not enough to say if it would work long term for me. I can't remember vaping anything else without pg or glycerine.

I don't believe we can know or say pg and glycerine are safe but personally I don't consider the risk to be worth worrying about (that might not be wise). PG in particular is used in inhaled medication and for lung transplant patients, that suggests it's reasonably benign, at least in the short term. It's even possible that it can help to clean lungs of the nasty stuff from smoking.

[JoeSmog]

Thanks for the link. BTW, I blew up my atomizer very quickly with my Vodka/H20/Flavoring juice Bummer...

[ThreeDogDad]

I am so confused, is it VG, or PG that we want to vap?

[JoeSmog]

I am so confused, is it VG, or PG that we want to vap?

Me too... PG makes me feel weird, but VG vapor apparently could affect the liver. There needs to be actual clinical data to support claims of harm or harmlessness of inhaling either of these. I'm going to use VG to cut 30mg juice and reduce the nicotine levels to the point where I'll just quit all of this within a couple of months. I cannot see vaping continuously for any great length of time not knowing the consequences.. That's just me, tho.

[Brooks]

Me too... PG makes me feel weird, but VG vapor apparently could affect the liver. There needs to be actual clinical data to support claims of harm or harmlessness of inhaling either of these. I'm going to use VG to cut 30mg juice and reduce the nicotine levels to the point where I'll just quit all of this within a couple of months. I cannot see vaping continuously for any great length of time not knowing the consequences.. That's just me, tho.

I am relatively sure that PG/VG or anyG is better in your lungs than byproducts of burning tobacco.... or burning anything, for that matter!
I know that, because as a firefighter I get to sample couch smoke, carpet smoke, plastic smoke, mattress smoke.... well, you get the idea. So, I must conclude based on effects.... smoke bad/vapor good

[ramblingrose]

I am so confused, is it VG, or PG that we want to vap?

I DYI and use a combination. I like VG, but worry about the thick oil shortening atty life. Small amounts of both are used in analogs. Try both, and see which you like.