What's the highest mg Nicotine?

[lorikay13]

Go to My Freedom Smokes and use the coupon code "juice".

You will get 100mg/ml clear,flavorless juice in a custom blend of PG/VG for about .35 cents a milliliter....right...35 cents. I don't know of anywhere you can top that price. The coupon code is good ONLY on unflavored juices. Please don't anybody write them and ask why the coupon doesn't work for the flavored juices or the Juice Nazi will git me !

You can get 25% off custom mixed flavored juice by using the code "flavor".

And 40% off hardware by using "smoke".

Yes...amazingly you can use all the coupon codes together in one order! At least it worked for me.

no...I don't work for them But I do buy from them and at those prices I am stocking up! You can also get anything down to 0 mg/ml. I like the 36mg/ml in a 50/50 pg/vg mix. Then by the time you add your flavoring, depending on the percentage of flavoring you need you have a nice, high nic liquid ready to vape. If it's still too high in nicotine because you got a really good concentrated flavoring they also sell plain 'ol USP PG or VG for $10 a bottle for 125 ml's. now I really do need to go run the Rug Doctor!

[lorikay13]

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[Raenon]

I understand you might not respond right away, and I don't expect you to have to defend your opinion, least against me.

That being said, I found nothing untrue in your statement, and you might even be right about the consequences. I appreciate your message of caution, and I hope that other readers will as well.
I disagree with the implication that there is something wrong with someone just for wanting to use the stronger material. You might notice that earlier in the thread I did in fact caution against it as well, and suggested using different, stronger flavorings to compensate.
That doesn't mean that one, as an adult, cannot choose to take their DIY attempts to the next level.

I'm reminded of something I went through a few years back. I've always had an interest in blades- working knives and such especially. I was thinking of custom making one for myself. I was confronted with the question of how far I wanted to go with that effort- just fashioning the handle and sharpening a stamped blade, recutting a "blank" rough-shaped piece of metal, or even working my own metal on an anvil.
It's not difficult to make a small forge, and my grandfather and great grandfather both owned anvils so I could probably get one of those from my uncle (who has been holding them in storage for the last couple of decades), even getting appropriate metal and the few other tools I'd need for such a small operation would not set me back much... so why not?
In the end, I decided that I didn't really want to devote that much of my life to learning the process, but it had nothing to do with the cost or the danger of running a heat source capable of melting metal (and possibly blowing up in my face if something about the setup went horribly wrong).

It's all about how far you really want to take things. Some people buy prefilled cartomizers and throw them out afterwards, some can't even be bothered to lose the analogs, some are trying to make their own atties and wouldn't be caught dead with a stock battery.

Anyway, just my two cents on the subject.

[lorikay13]

Eissenberg said he's concerned about how people are using the devices.

"If people are reporting what they are reporting about cravings, the data suggest it's not because of the drugs in the device," he said.

But Eissenberg said he's concerned about comments he has seen on blogs that some e-cigarette users are "dripping," or letting liquid from the devices' cartridges fall directly onto the heating element.

That means they may be getting relatively large doses of nicotine, which can be toxic in amounts of about 50 milligrams, Eissenberg said.

While the cartridges contain 16 milligrams, they can be refilled from bottles labeled as containing 500 milligrams, or 10 times the toxic dose, he said. "

Taken from a recent article published in the Richmond-Times

So I'm paranoid, right? i don't know who this guy is but he obviously has trouble interpreting data as well as no understanding of what vaping is all about. And THAT was my point. It was not my intention to derail this post. I offer my apologies to "fatalis" and will not post here again unless I find any more killer deals on high nic liquids

[JSullivan]

[QUOTE=Raenon;1059326]There is a lot of rounding going on regarding concentrations- pure nicotine is heavier than water (which is 1g/mL), actually about 1.01g/mL. That doesn't sound like much of a difference unless you're dealing with such tight controls, eh?
99% of 1010mg/mL is 999.9mg/mL of nicotine, which means that the last one percent of impurity is actually going to push it up a bit more (perhaps even heavier than 1.01g/mL depending on the content).
The best nicotine being sold is actually over 99% pure, but it's difficult to nail down how much over due to the different methods in determining concentration. I'm sure DVap would be far more qualified to talk about that than I, obviously.


No offense but I think that I will trust the laboratories analysis of the product I am referring to and a 1L bottle of this nicotine is 990mg/mL of pure nicotine which is where that number comes from. The other 10mg/mL consists of impurities and water. Here ya go uploaded a copy of the latest analysis for your reading enjoyment.

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[Kurt]

Eissenberg said he's concerned about how people are using the devices.

"If people are reporting what they are reporting about cravings, the data suggest it's not because of the drugs in the device," he said.

But Eissenberg said he's concerned about comments he has seen on blogs that some e-cigarette users are "dripping," or letting liquid from the devices' cartridges fall directly onto the heating element.

That means they may be getting relatively large doses of nicotine, which can be toxic in amounts of about 50 milligrams, Eissenberg said.

While the cartridges contain 16 milligrams, they can be refilled from bottles labeled as containing 500 milligrams, or 10 times the toxic dose, he said. "

Taken from a recent article published in the Richmond-Times

So I'm paranoid, right? i don't know who this guy is but he obviously has trouble interpreting data as well as no understanding of what vaping is all about. And THAT was my point. It was not my intention to derail this post. I offer my apologies to "fatalis" and will not post here again unless I find any more killer deals on high nic liquids

Well, perhaps someone can inform the good doctor that dripping is simply doing what a cart would do if it is wicking properly. There is little difference between dripping and a fresh and juicy cart.

As for nic concentrations, I agree that there is zero reason that I can tell to go looking for essentially pure free-base nic, unless you intend to set up a very safe lab with all the ventilation and protections and make your own juice for sales production. And this is what many vendors do, and I believe Chris at MFS is in that camp. I know Adam at vtvapor is. Doing this to just save money without considerable training, as in years, is just fool hearty and just makes you a candidate for another Darwin Award.

And telling someone who clearly does not have a background in chemistry or hazardous materials, and I assume fatalis does not have this background, to go get essentially pure free-base nic is really suspect to me. This material is really really nasty...and even I will not ever work with it if I don't have to. Even the air becomes dangerous, and one little mistake and its all over...and nic death is definitely not a nice way to go. I have had debates with others here about this, and I remain firm: DO NOT SUGGEST BUYING AND USING PURE NICOTINE!! IMHO, anyone suggesting this is just causing trouble, and plenty of it. If the suggestion was made naively, fine, consider this a learning experience. Besides, while one can obtain free-base nic, it is not easy to do, however it is legal, believe it or not.

But for anyone just wanting to make DIY juices for self use, even 60 mg unflavored requires serious care and precautions to store it and use it properly. A significant spill is indeed a deadly hazmat situation. I know how to work with these high-nic juices because I am a trained chemist, but few others here are. I have posted my procedures for working with 100 mg VG unflavored in the MFS forum, under "Smoke Storage Tips". Do exactly what I say, and you will be almost guaranteed safety and very long term storage. And this is central, because it will take a long time to go through 100 mg juice if its being used for reasonable nic-level DIY juices.

I personally think that unless you are very capable with hazardous liquids, consider buying only less than 60 mg juices. An accidental spill will be far more manageable.

These are of course my opinions, and I don't want anyone in particular to think I'm singling you out. They are, however, professional opinions. And I agree with the previous poster, careless posting of clearly dangerous advice should not be tolerated here, and if we do not start being conservative with our posts we will be brought down. Anyone saying no one has been hurt yet should realize that these ultra-high concentrations of nic have been around for only several months, and I don't think Lady Luck will favor reckless behavior much longer.

And given the various nicced-up responses Dr. E got in his time here from PV cowboys into all their mods and voltages and high-nic juices, my guess is we have come across as crazy drug addicts in our own little bubble of a world, regardless of the valid suggestions he got for further studies, and he is certainly someone who can burst this bubble. Personally I was ashamed. Isn't a study showing very little nic absorbed from PVs something the FDA would not want to have published, and something that plays into our hands better than PVs that can potentially poison someone?

Rant off. Sorry if it derailed things. Safety and common sense is something I am just not seeing enough of on ECF. This is a publically available forum, for God's sake.

[TJPatt72]

I honor those who posted how dangerous higher concentrations of nic is to consider using. We need to only promote a safe level of nic to be used in making ejuice for the general public to use, not highly toxic doses.

BTW mixing it outside is not safe. A druggie in town mixed his meth outside and contaminated even the soil which when rained on just compounds the problem. In Texas this has become such a problem that any house someone is busted in for having a lot of dope, if that house is sold they have to list it as one that drug dealers lived in. I recall a case where people bought a house and their baby became really sick. It was discovered that it was due to drugs that where in the carpet the baby had been crawling on yet that carpet was cleaned before they moved in. Concentrations where also found in the wall.

This is the main reason higher concentrations of nic needs to be only handled by those with the right credentials to do so and really high doses only in labs since no one lives in them and they are never sold for someone to live in. Those in the pest control business and even farmers wanting to use chemicals to control pests in dangerous strengths must have a license, etc. This prevents our ground water and ground from becoming toxic hopefully, but not always.

If you recall a few years ago many of us used a commonly sold chemical on our yards to control pests. It got pulled from the market due to the overuse of it and it building up in the soil. If this forum starts promoting the sale of nic in lethal levels you bet ya Uncle Sam will step in and put a stop to such sales and all sales more than likely.

I no more love regulation than the next person does, yet in order to carry a hand gun I have to pay to renew a license and take a course every few years. The rights that existed when we where born are not the rights we will have by the time we die, and most of those are torn away by people doing things that ends up harming other innocent people. Some of us know better, yet we have to pay the price for those who only think of themselves. A lot of drug users promote they are only hurting themselves, I doubt those innocent people being killed right over our border agree with that nor those harmed by buying homes that stuff was spilled in, absorbed into the walls, etc.

How many of you honest adults are going to be willing to take a price cut in the sell of your home or when moving if you don't own the place pay for the replacement of the location you spilt 100mg up nic? Unfortunately honesty is no longer this Nations biggest policy, thus even though some of us would do that it's those that won't that makes unsafe levels our responsibility to keep out of peoples hands or all of it will be removed from all of our hands. As usual it's not your own personal safety that is the issue here, it's the general publics safety. Many kids where harmed by guns owned by adults. Yes many of us are responsible adults that might not have any problems using this, yet it is the ones that aren't that will determine the fate of all of us. If they don't have fire to play with in the first place, then the rest of us won't have to get burned by them.

I don’t like telling someone else how to live their lives (seeking higher mg nic), yet if they are doing something that could impact the way I’d like to live my life (vaping) then yes I’ll chime in and try to prevent this stuff from being ban or regulated due to unsafe levels falling into peoples hands.

[I Stelfer I]

There is a lot of rounding going on regarding concentrations- pure nicotine is heavier than water (which is 1g/mL), actually about 1.01g/mL. That doesn't sound like much of a difference unless you're dealing with such tight controls, eh?
99% of 1010mg/mL is 999.9mg/mL of nicotine, which means that the last one percent of impurity is actually going to push it up a bit more (perhaps even heavier than 1.01g/mL depending on the content).
The best nicotine being sold is actually over 99% pure, but it's difficult to nail down how much over due to the different methods in determining concentration. I'm sure DVap would be far more qualified to talk about that than I, obviously.



Ouch.
Once upon a time, the only progress was made by people who took it upon themselves to come up with something new.
Yes, I think that cautioning against the truly dangerous is a good idea, but to attack him as a monster just for skirting the border of DIY feeds paranoia.

I would have to agree. Anyone willing to attempt to work with 99+% nicotine needs to know what they're doing without a shadow of a doubt that they aren't going to mess up. People who are willing to attempt the handling of such deadly products without proper training and precautions have a right to know where they can win their Darwin award at. To be quite honest the FDA DOES need to regulate who has access to chemicals like these. Personally, morbid as it sounds, I think it would do the community a great justice to have one idiot that messes up and causes serious harm to themselves because then the FDA would regulate the access of page 2 poisons and everybody would be a whole lot safer because of it.

[skeetr]

Sure 99+% nicotine would be a toxic material but what % nicotine is 100mg/ml mix?

[skeetr]

There is a lot of rounding going on regarding concentrations- pure nicotine is heavier than water (which is 1g/mL), actually about 1.01g/mL. That doesn't sound like much of a difference unless you're dealing with such tight controls, eh?
99% of 1010mg/mL is 999.9mg/mL of nicotine, which means that the last one percent of impurity is actually going to push it up a bit more (perhaps even heavier than 1.01g/mL depending on the content).
The best nicotine being sold is actually over 99% pure, but it's difficult to nail down how much over due to the different methods in determining concentration. I'm sure DVap would be far more qualified to talk about that than I, obviously.
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So according to this figure my 100mg/ml is 1/10 "aproximately" pure nicotine.

Likewise a standard 20mg/ml e-liquid would be only 1/50 nicotine.