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jbbishop · 03-06-2009, 06:44 PM

A few more potential suppliers:

Pure essential oil descriptions and uses, from Nature's Gift

Tobacco perfume ingredient, Tobacco fragrance & essential oils Nicotiana tabacum (Solanaceae)

Tobacco (Nicotiana tabacum) Absolute - 100% Pure - Luminescents -

Rose Oil Rose Water Rose Abssolure Rose Concrete Pure Essential Oils Carrier Oils Fixed Oils Herb Extracts Herbal Extracts Plant Extracts Herbal Tinctures

Nazdrowie009 · 03-26-2009, 10:44 PM

most of those surpliers are sold out. Everything seems to be for aromatherapy and making candles, scents ect.

Will these just have tobacco scent or will they also have tobbaco flavor

Are these even good for us to vape(healthy wise) and they are all called oils wont the oils mess up our atomizers?

taz3cat · 03-27-2009, 03:08 AM

jjbbiship, that tobacco absolute from

Essential Oils S-Z: Samara Botane Online

According to Wikipeda, Nicotiana rustica has up to 9% nicotine

TOBACCO ABSOLUTE
Nicotiana rustica
Plant Part: Leaves
Extraction: Absolute
Growing Practice: Ethical
Country of Origin: Spain

jbbishop · 03-27-2009, 04:20 AM

Well I don't have any facts, but I wouldn't believe that there is likely a high content of nicotine in the absolutes. Even if so, not much is used for flavoring. There's all kinds of information around here with ingredient disclosures and formulations that suggest the amount to use of any one tobacco flavoring is probably around 3%. Most formulations seem to use a combination of two or three of the approximately four varieties I believe I've seen.

Yes, these tobacco absolutes are versions of the exact same thing that is used in the commercial e-liquid, except for the nicotiana rustica which is not used, and I have no idea whether that variety has any strong appeal for us. Unfortunately, from the published information about them it is not clear what variety is available to us here. I rather believe it is all Virginia, being the most common.

These absolutes capture the aromatic and flavoring characteristics of tobacco. Much of the flavor is aromatic in nature... I've written elsewhere about a vanilla absolute which is also appealing.

Do check the other links I posted on the first page of this thread I tried to collect a number of different suppliers they should have it in stock.

taz3cat · 03-27-2009, 06:18 AM

Jbbishop, it depends on the tobacco absolute and which tobacco they make the absolute from, the one you found said is Nicotiana rustic and it is the one that has nicotine in it. The blond one made with Nicotiana tabacum dosen,t have but a trace of nicotine in that tobacco.

Absolutes are made using something like everclear to extract the essense out of the herb. That web site you found explains how they make absolutes and other forms of extration of the main part of the herb

That was a great find, thanks.

LadyRyana · 03-30-2009, 12:36 AM

how off is my math?

If i had a 15ml bottle of the Nicotiana rustica and it has up to 9% nicotine in it, and our 36mg e-juice seems to have about 3% then that 15ml bottle could be cut with a little under 1500ml of PG or VG to get the same as what we are currently getting in our e-juice?

Or am I totally off base?

Nazdrowie009 · 03-30-2009, 01:10 AM

So you guys are saying its safe (for us and our atomizers) to put the tobacco absolute in our ejuice?

jbbishop · 03-30-2009, 01:31 AM

Again, the nicotiana tabacum absolute is a variety of the exact same ingredient being used by commercial manufacturers. Therefore, we can assume it is perfectly acceptable for our uses. Assume for our purposes tobacco absolutes have NO nicotine, it really makes no difference here as we are using it as a flavoring and in low concentrations.

The reference to 9% nicotine content above was not a description of the absolute, but of the content of the raw plant. We do not know how much nicotine content is in the absolutes other than the blond variety which is more expensive and has none but I think it unlikely to be a high concentration. People are using this without warnings in making soaps and perfumes and for all I know dabbing it directly on their skin and using it in aromatherapy.

I'm not sure if the Nicotiana Rustica which is wild tobacco (or Indian tobacco) is of significant interest to us. The one we're looking at is the nicotiana tabacum. Indian tobacco is higher in nicotine and also harmala alkaloids than the regular tobacco used in American smoking products. It may offer an interesting flavor alternative. Someone may want to try this and report back.

Nazdrowie009 · 03-30-2009, 02:22 AM

ok thanks, I know you all posed some links before, but could you post a quick link of the tobacco absolute that commercial ejuice uses, so I can buy it.

thanks

Nazdrowie009 · 03-30-2009, 02:48 AM

ok 1 more question i forgot to add, what would be better for our atomizers this tobacco absolute( does it contain oil, sugars, etc.) or seedmans commercial flavor enhancer?

03-27-2009, 03:08 AM	#13
taz3cat ECF Veteran Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Port Arthur, Texas Posts: 1,129	jjbbiship, that tobacco absolute from Essential Oils S-Z: Samara Botane Online According to Wikipeda, Nicotiana rustica has up to 9% nicotine TOBACCO ABSOLUTE Nicotiana rustica Plant Part: Leaves Extraction: Absolute Growing Practice: Ethical Country of Origin: Spain __________________ actions speak louder than words, do a iittle everyday to save our PV's

03-27-2009, 04:20 AM	#14
jbbishop Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: SLC, UT U.S.A. Posts: 152	Well I don't have any facts, but I wouldn't believe that there is likely a high content of nicotine in the absolutes. Even if so, not much is used for flavoring. There's all kinds of information around here with ingredient disclosures and formulations that suggest the amount to use of any one tobacco flavoring is probably around 3%. Most formulations seem to use a combination of two or three of the approximately four varieties I believe I've seen. Yes, these tobacco absolutes are versions of the exact same thing that is used in the commercial e-liquid, except for the nicotiana rustica which is not used, and I have no idea whether that variety has any strong appeal for us. Unfortunately, from the published information about them it is not clear what variety is available to us here. I rather believe it is all Virginia, being the most common. These absolutes capture the aromatic and flavoring characteristics of tobacco. Much of the flavor is aromatic in nature... I've written elsewhere about a vanilla absolute which is also appealing. Do check the other links I posted on the first page of this thread I tried to collect a number of different suppliers they should have it in stock. Last edited by jbbishop; 03-27-2009 at 05:23 AM.

03-27-2009, 06:18 AM	#15
taz3cat ECF Veteran Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Port Arthur, Texas Posts: 1,129	Jbbishop, it depends on the tobacco absolute and which tobacco they make the absolute from, the one you found said is Nicotiana rustic and it is the one that has nicotine in it. The blond one made with Nicotiana tabacum dosen,t have but a trace of nicotine in that tobacco. Absolutes are made using something like everclear to extract the essense out of the herb. That web site you found explains how they make absolutes and other forms of extration of the main part of the herb That was a great find, thanks. __________________ actions speak louder than words, do a iittle everyday to save our PV's

03-30-2009, 01:31 AM	#18
jbbishop Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: SLC, UT U.S.A. Posts: 152	Again, the nicotiana tabacum absolute is a variety of the exact same ingredient being used by commercial manufacturers. Therefore, we can assume it is perfectly acceptable for our uses. Assume for our purposes tobacco absolutes have NO nicotine, it really makes no difference here as we are using it as a flavoring and in low concentrations. The reference to 9% nicotine content above was not a description of the absolute, but of the content of the raw plant. We do not know how much nicotine content is in the absolutes other than the blond variety which is more expensive and has none but I think it unlikely to be a high concentration. People are using this without warnings in making soaps and perfumes and for all I know dabbing it directly on their skin and using it in aromatherapy. I'm not sure if the Nicotiana Rustica which is wild tobacco (or Indian tobacco) is of significant interest to us. The one we're looking at is the nicotiana tabacum. Indian tobacco is higher in nicotine and also harmala alkaloids than the regular tobacco used in American smoking products. It may offer an interesting flavor alternative. Someone may want to try this and report back. Last edited by jbbishop; 03-30-2009 at 01:41 AM.

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03-06-2009, 06:44 PM	#11
jbbishop Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: SLC, UT U.S.A. Posts: 152	A few more potential suppliers: Pure essential oil descriptions and uses, from Nature's Gift Tobacco perfume ingredient, Tobacco fragrance & essential oils Nicotiana tabacum (Solanaceae) Tobacco (Nicotiana tabacum) Absolute - 100% Pure - Luminescents - Rose Oil Rose Water Rose Abssolure Rose Concrete Pure Essential Oils Carrier Oils Fixed Oils Herb Extracts Herbal Extracts Plant Extracts Herbal Tinctures

03-26-2009, 10:44 PM	#12
Nazdrowie009 USA Supplier Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 171	most of those surpliers are sold out. Everything seems to be for aromatherapy and making candles, scents ect. Will these just have tobacco scent or will they also have tobbaco flavor Are these even good for us to vape(healthy wise) and they are all called oils wont the oils mess up our atomizers?

03-30-2009, 12:36 AM	#16
LadyRyana Full Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Idaho Posts: 20	how off is my math? If i had a 15ml bottle of the Nicotiana rustica and it has up to 9% nicotine in it, and our 36mg e-juice seems to have about 3% then that 15ml bottle could be cut with a little under 1500ml of PG or VG to get the same as what we are currently getting in our e-juice? Or am I totally off base?

03-30-2009, 01:10 AM	#17
Nazdrowie009 USA Supplier Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 171	So you guys are saying its safe (for us and our atomizers) to put the tobacco absolute in our ejuice?

03-30-2009, 02:22 AM	#19
Nazdrowie009 USA Supplier Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 171	ok thanks, I know you all posed some links before, but could you post a quick link of the tobacco absolute that commercial ejuice uses, so I can buy it. thanks

03-30-2009, 02:48 AM	#20
Nazdrowie009 USA Supplier Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 171	ok 1 more question i forgot to add, what would be better for our atomizers this tobacco absolute( does it contain oil, sugars, etc.) or seedmans commercial flavor enhancer?