Does anybody know where to find tobacco flavored flavoring?

[Randall Fox]

I've tried about 15 different types of tobacco-flavored carts, and really don't care for any of them. What I'm hoping to do is find a variety of tobacco flavorings so I can experiment and maybe find a good mix.

I've googled the heck out of the internet and couldn't come up with anything other than flavorings you add to tobacco.

Anybody know where you can get a flavoring that tastes like tobacco?

[ZambucaLu]

You might be interested in this thread Randall:

Tobacco Flavorings and Enhancers?

Lu

[Randall Fox]

Thanks SambucaLu,

I saw that thread on my earlier search, but it seemed like they were adding the Seedman flavoring to other flavors.

I checked out the Seedman page, and the description of their flavorings was ambiguous so I e-mailed them and asked if any of there flavors actually tasted like tobacco or were just enhancers.

Jim replied "All of our flavorings are flavor enhancers, they do not contain
tobacco flavoring themselves."

I guess as a last resort I can always try to use their "enhancers" in conjunction with an existing liquid, but I sort of like the whole mad scientist mix-my-own approach.

[qreply]

I'm a total newb...

But here's what I did since getting my new e-cig.
I got "tobacco" flavored carts with my first order. They tasted like ass, I'm afraid someone in China decided to use a base formula of tobacco extracted from camel dung for their recipe. I have been waiting for some of the more popular flavors to hit some of the sites I have seen here, in the meantime I decided to play with my own.

I do not know how safe this is so try at your own risk.

I heated some distilled water just below boiling (used approx 50 ML) and poured it over approx 1 1/2 heaping tablespoons of bulk Zig Zag tobacco, making in essence a tobacco tea. I let it sit for a few hours , filtered it through a coffee filter and ended up with about 30 ML of liquid.

I mixed it 20 (tea) / (80 Glycerine) and it was OK, still a little light on the tobacco flavor. I'm going to try to play with it some more in small batches to see what I can come up with. I'm sure there is some nicotine in it but I have no way of telling how much, though it doesn't seem to be as much as the medium carts I started with. The next attempt I will use less water to try to concentrate the flavor more and hopefully get more flavor without overdoing the nicotine. Also the 80/20 mix still seems a little thick, it works good for dripping but seems to not wick very well in the cart.

I'm kind of worried with reading some on the forums about vaporizer life using a tea like this for flavor, I'm not sure how clogged it might get even with filtering.

One other small success was going through some of my wife's tea. She had some Republic of Tea - Wild Blueberry, that makes an awesome flavor but no nic so it's not very satisfying at this point but may be great for later.

[Jaaxx]

Careful here! The method you use is a valid one, but as of yet, no one really knows how much nicotine (if any) is extracted (or survives the process.)

You might get none, which is ideal because you can control the nic with the commercial liquid you add it to. You might get something ridiculously high and end up in the hospital (or worse.)

[Randall Fox]

qreply, thanks for the idea. If I can't find any flavorings I might just try making "teas" from various bulk tobaccos.

jaaxx, I agree we should be careful. I think if the "tea" was boiled for a little while it would probably remove all/most of the nicotine. Just need to be careful and keep an eye out for the nicbuzz with each batch I think.

[qreply]

There would have to be some nicotine extracted, you could compare it to snuff or chewing tobacco. Though it is a transdermal (or for non-spitters- digestive) transfer of nicotine to the system. I would definately be very careful of adding a tobacco tea to a commercial liquid already containing nicotine.

Hmm maybe I should get a few crickets or other critters from a pet supply store. Put a tiny drop of the tea on it's back - if it lives, use it - if it keels over within seconds - try another, more diluted batch.

Wait forget I said that, I don't know how the peta folks feel about crickets... I wouldn't want them hunting me down.

[lordmage]

the longer you boil tobacco the more nction you get the less water in the soulation the higher the nic in to you want to have a thin tobacco "tea" from a small amount and you dont want to boil it more

[qreply]

I thought of another option I may give a try that might just reduce the chance of extracting too much nicotine but still getting the flavor. A long time ago I tried a pipe tobacco that had a very stong tobacco flavor and a pretty harsh bite. I want to say it was a burley rough cut but I'd have to see and smell it to be sure. A good strong pipe tobacco may be the trick, it shouldn't take much raw product to get the flavor wanted thereby reducing the amount of nicotine extracted in the process, especially if it has a strong bite, which seems to be the one thing alot of people miss when transitioning to eCigs.

Also one of the reasons commercial tobacco flavors may be of a lesser quality is that higher quality aromatic tobacco is used for smokes, while lesser quality tobacco is used for nicotine extraction and possibly in the process flavoring extraction. This may not be in all cases but it makes sense and alot of research has gone into nicotine free tobacco and extraction of flavors as enhancers. Interesting site: tobaccodocuments.org

[jbbishop]

Well this might be a start, I tried searching for tobacco essential oil.

I know other sources have been posted on here already but I can't find them at the moment and these might be some new ones:

Pure Absolute Oils, Pure Rose Ottos & Precious Essential Oils : Pure Absolute Essential Oils: The Collection of Rare and Precious Pure Essential Oils, Pure Absolute Essential Oils, Pure Lotus Absolute Oils, Pure Rare, Essential Oils & Pure Rose Ottos

100% pure Tobacco Absolute Oil, imported from France (net 7.5 ml = ¼ Oz.)

Also see:

Essential Oils S-Z: Samara Botane Online

15322115 TOBACCO ABSOLUTE 15 ml
15322102 TOBACCO ABSOLUTE 2 ml
15322105 TOBACCO ABSOLUTE 5 ml
08321 TOBACCO CONCRETE
11104105 TOBACCO LEAF 5 ml
15104105 TOBACCO LEAF ABS 5 ml (nicotine free)

AND

http://www.gritman.com/DataSheets/Es...0Absolute.html

Tobacco Absolute Blond (Nicotiana tabacum)
GCC: LC-GP Premium Bulgaria
Retail: $37.04 1/6 oz.
GENERAL INFORMATION: There is an absolute without nicotine which is called blond. There is an essential oil from CO2 extraction and steam distilled, but they have nicotine unless rectified. The nicotine seems to be the offending constituent, therefore the absolute seems safer here. There are nearly 100 species of Nicotiana.

Tobacco absolute (Nicotiana tabacum)
Tobacco absolute is a dense liquid with dark-brown to black-brown color with thin layer pale brown with sometimes greenish nuance and intensive aroma of tobacco. It is obtained from tobacco concrete. Aroma: Of tobacco, with flowery and spicy note.

Nicotiana tabacum (Solanaceae) Virginia Tobacco
The tobacco genus, Nicotiana, belongs to the nightshade family and consists of nearly 100 species, mainly from tropical and subtropical America. The most important species, N. tabacum, or Virginia tobacco, has leaves of 30-50 cm, and large pink flowers. It is not known as a wild plant. Another closely related species, N. rustica, or Rustica tobacco, is also extensively grown.

I think that unless one were a commercial manufacturer importing from someplace like India this stuff is hard to get in quantities useful to us as individuals with all the delightful varieties advertised, e.g. Burley, Oriental, Virginia... anyone?