cheap nicotine/pg

[Tarzan]

Oh, except Boots are selling Nicocigs now. Hm, maybe on second thought I'm not so sure about that.

[Kendra]

I'm really just posting to subscribe to this thread. But, I'm wondering also if Sigma will want to get into the e-cig business. Even knowing as little as I do about them, I tend to think they will NOT want to go from being a reputable supplier selling chemicals to labs and chemists to supplying a bunch of us who want to smoke e-cigs (and don't forget us in the US).

I think we need someone in the UK and the US to start buying this and doing the dilution and then selling it to all of us at much lower prices. And, then, of course, we may be just where we started in pricing, but better than where we started in availability-- until the seller's name gets around and he or she comes under scrutiny. Actually, I can't see this happening.

Duncan, on this page there are all sorts of chemicals that have nicotine IN them:

LINK


What are all of those products?

[Duncan]

Originally Posted by Kendra

Duncan, on this page there are all sorts of chemicals that have nicotine IN them:

LINK


What are all of those products?

We need to clarify that, obviously. It will be for Sigma to indicate which is the most suitable. I picked one of the cheaper ones because the nicotine component of e-liquid is obviously not expensive. If it were, a 36 mg liquid would be more expensive that a 9mg - but it isn't.

[Tarzan]

That's quite an assumption. The nicotine component may also have little bearing on the price because of the low concentration.

I can predict a number of considerations you'd have to make when mixing up the e-liquid. For instance when heated, nicotine burns before it evaporates, so even ignoring the toxicity, pure nicotine would be unsuitable for vaping. (And there'd be other issues like producing a stable solution, etc., avoiding anything that reacts chemically in a bad way at the temperatures inside an atomiser.)

In other words, it sounds like you'd be asking Sigma to develop a fairly sophisticated product, not just taking the most suitable bottle of nicotine off the shelf and diluting it in PG. You might even run into patent issues.

Meanwhile I just came across this semi-relevant but interesting study: http://content.onlinejacc.org/cgi/re...791.pdf?ck=nck

I especially noted the wording in the conclusion: "nicotine is always less hazardous than using tobacco." For what it's worth.

[smokinyoda]

Now we need specific amounts/sources for the other ingredients. That way we can come up with an idiot proof recipe. Buy specific size bottle of nicotine here, buy this specific amount of pg, and then buy this specific amount of flavoring. Dump all 3 bottles of ingredients together and you have your juice (after mixing properly). This would eliminate the careful measuring required with pure nicotine.

Looks like 5ml of 99% pure nicotine will run $61.50. So anyone know what amouts of the other ingredients to add to this to make a batch of medium strength juice?

[Kendra]

Originally Posted by smokinyoda

Now we need specific amounts/sources for the other ingredients. That way we can come up with an idiot proof recipe. Buy specific size bottle of nicotine here, buy this specific amount of pg, and then buy this specific amount of flavoring. Dump all 3 bottles of ingredients together and you have your juice (after mixing properly). This would eliminate the careful measuring required with pure nicotine.

Looks like 5ml of 99% pure nicotine will run $61.50. So anyone know what amouts of the other ingredients to add to this to make a batch of medium strength juice?

I don't think we'll be able to buy it unless we're affiliated with a lab or other institution. But, I don't disagree with your point, though it is really really dangerous to handle in this pure form.

[smokinyoda]

Originally Posted by Kendra

I don't think we'll be able to buy it unless we're affiliated with a lab or other institution.

Looks like you are correct. So we still need a middle man.

Ordering Instructions and HelpDue to the hazardous nature of many of the products we sell, all requests to order / request quotes on-line are reviewed to verify that you are part of an organization that is an existing Sigma-Aldrich customer.
If your organization has not ordered from us in the past, and you wish to place an order, please contact your local office directly so a new account can be established or fill out an on-line My Profile form to request access to the site.

[Denni]

Originally Posted by ill_dawg

At the bottom, the second pic has a bottle of pure nic. I googled the company on the bottle and it turned up this site: Sigma Aldrich Home where pure nic is available for purchase. They have stock in the US and the UK. 5ml of 99% pure nic runs about $60. glycerine and PG cost a couple dollars. that 5ml of pure nic could make 250ml of 20mg juice or 500ml of 10mg. It's a little more expensive than the polish site, but I think I'd trust their nic a bit more, and you don't have to use lazy English teachers as a middleman. If someone tries this, let me know how it goes.

Hope this helps

-=ADAM=-

Sigma Aldrich supply labs, I'm frankly surprised that this stuff has made its way into private hands. I don't need to tell you how dangerous nearly pure nic is. Sigma sells almost everything, but questions will be asked.

Even though the Sigma stuff is quite pure, it's not formulated for human consumption. I think I'll extract the nic from a patch before I start puffing on lab chemicals.

[ill_dawg]

Originally Posted by Denni

Even though the Sigma stuff is quite pure, it's not formulated for human consumption. I think I'll extract the nic from a patch before I start puffing on lab chemicals.

I thought the same thing at first, but this stuff is 99% pure nic, from a reputable company. Where do the Chinese get their nic? What's the purity? I'd take known lab chemicals over unknown bottles from china any day. Especially with all the stories these days about contamination from other sources making its way into chinese products. I'd prefer to think that my liquid was mixed in a sterile white room by a guy in a hazmat suit.

Just my .02

[Nick O'Teen]

I would have to strongly advise that noone attempts this at home - outside a lab environment I don't believe pure nicotine can ever be handled safely, and the very last thing the vaping "scene" needs right now is a death(s) from nicotine poisoning hitting the headlines.

I used to have an account with Sigma when I ran a specialist (carnivorous) plant nursery, and bought plenty of toxic chemical for my tissue culturing. It's not difficult to open an account - a bank reference and a letterhead (just to confirm that you're a commercial or research outfit,) is all they require, but from what I remember their terms and conditions expressly forbid the use of their chemicals in products designed for human consumption - and yep, that would definitely include inhalation!

If anyone with access to a proper hazmat lab wants to experiment, I'd say order a sensibly small quanty to experiment with, and I'd love to hear the results. But if you fancy yourself as a mad scientist, and want to knock up gallons of cheap juice in your back room, please think twice. I've handled hazardous chemicals "at home" (though not as hazardous as such an enormous quantity of such a toxic chemical, and certainly not for my own or anyone else's consumption!) and I can tell you - mistakes WILL happen.
No matter how careful you think you're being, stuff gets spilt, contamination occurs, volatile chemicals get into the air/on surfaces/on your skin - even in labs, accidents happen. This is an ENORMOUS quantity of a chemical that could easily kill everyone in your house (probably everyone in your street!)

and since it is specifically NOT formulated for human inhalation, that other 1% in the mix could easily be far worse than our regular juice. 99% pure does NOT mean 99% less damaging - it could be 1% Polonium-210 for all we know.