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[Kendra]

I don't know if you're in the UK or the US, but here's my angle on it from the UK.

You don't have to be a lab, and a UK company doesn't have to be registered - you can call yourself anything you like as a sole trader. I had an account with them 10 years ago, and they were happy to supply toxic and mutagenic agents for my kitchen table tissue culturing (I still have a few grams of colchichine kicking around somewhere.) I was genuinely breeding and selling specialist plants, but I don't suppose they'd notice if you weren't.

HOWEVER, I would NOT recommend dealing with pure nicotine in any quantities under any non-lab conditions. They're sure to sell dilute solutions, or they can blend a solution to your specs (but they won't, under any circumstances, supply anything they think is for human consumption.)

If I was going to do it (and I'm not,) I'd open a business bank account payments can be wired from, in an impressive-sounding name of your "business". Then I'd ask them for a 5% nicotine solution in PG, for my research into the development of specialist insecticides/nicotine modulation of stress-related peptide neurons in mice/ interaction of nicotinic and GABAergic systems in the central amygdala of rats/any other crap that comes up in a couple of minutes googling (not that the telephonist will want to know.)

That should give a 50mg superstrength liquid that can be cut with flavourings and still deliver 34mg in the finished product.
The nicotine will cost a bit more that way, but it's still a helluva lot cheaper than Chinese juice. Don't try to save a few more pennies on the pint by risking the lives of everyone in your house insisting on getting hold of 99% pure nicotine - it really isn't worth it.

Usual disclaimers apply. YMMV in other countries. You're on your own if you go for it.

Oh, I'm not brave enough to do it. But, if eLiquid does become unavailable, I will be calling them and saying exactly what you said to say and I'd order it diluted.

[Tarzan]

It appears my 100 mL of liquid from Eastmall made it through UK customs. And it's waiting for me at the post office now! Woo! So 7 days delivery, that isn't too bad. Only complaint would be it was shipped to the invoice address, not the delivery address I specified, but that sort of mixup is normal for Internet purchases. I'll add more once I've collected the liquid today.

[luvmyvapor]

I might have missed it but I have a question about the definition of nicotine in e-liquid.
So if I have 100ml of 36mg e-liquid, is that a 36 to 1000 ratio? or?
The mathematical part of my brain is on vacation or something.

[the88thcrazy]

I might have missed it but I have a question about the definition of nicotine in e-liquid.
So if I have 100ml of 36mg e-liquid, is that a 36 to 1000 ratio? or?
The mathematical part of my brain is on vacation or something.

36mg e-liquid means 36mg per ml pg.

a 100 ml bottle of 36mg liquid contains 3600 mg of nicotine, or a 36 to 10,000 ratio

i...think...

it depends on the g/ml density of pg

[Tarzan]

I picked up the liquid at the post office now. Seven day delivery, all the way from China to England with no problems. The package hadn't even been opened in customs.

The liquid is unflavoured, so not much to say about the taste, other than it's not unpleasant or "chemical", as one might fear. The smell is unremarkable, too. It's meant to be 36 mg, and definitely feels like much higher nic content than the 18 mg I'm used to, so that's reassuring.

I don't have glycerine yet, so I haven't experimented a whole lot, but I tried a bit of undiluted liquid with peppermint, and another little bit with almond essence. The former certainly works but is a little bland. The latter gives a really nice marzipan aftertaste, but is a little unpleasant when it's first inhaled. I guess finding the perfect recipe will take a while, but anyway the point is I can't see anything wrong with the e-liquid itself.

Eastmall also do sample packs of flavoured liquid with 20 ml each of five different flavours, at $50 US a pack. I might try one of those. It's lower nic content than the unflavoured juice I bought, so less economic, but still cheaper than what's available from UK suppliers.

[Kendra]

I might have missed it but I have a question about the definition of nicotine in e-liquid.
So if I have 100ml of 36mg e-liquid, is that a 36 to 1000 ratio? or?
The mathematical part of my brain is on vacation or something.

It is 3.6 ml per 100 ml, or 3.6%.

Ratio 3.6:100

[luvmyvapor]

The reason I'm asking is just in case it gets difficult to get supplied I might be able to mix my own. But because I still can't confirm the ratio, dunno. I guess is depends on the mg of liquid nicotine concentration that you are going to use.

Milligram = A unit of mass or weight in the metric system equal to 0.001 gram.
Milliliter = A unit of liquid volume or capacity in the metric system equal to 0.001 liter.
1 dram = 3.697ml

[luvmyvapor]

The density of (-)-Nicotine as a liquid at 20 °C is 1.010 g/mL.

[Tarzan]

I'm working under the assumption that the "mg" unit used on e-liquid products means "mg/ml". Nothing else really makes sense, but yes, implied units of measurement are always annoying.

[Kendra]

Tarzan, what you would do is measure out 3.6 ml of liquid and put that amount into 100 ml of glycerine or pg. That's the ratio. The actual weight of it is not what they're talking about-- they are talking about volume. The volume ratio is 3.6 milliliters to 100 milliliters, or 3.6 parts to 100 parts.

If you bought pure nicotine (which is very very very poisonous), you'd measure the 3.6 ml of that with a syringe and put the amount from the syringe into a bottle of 100 ml pg or glycerine. Then you would dispose of the needle and the gloves and other protective clothing and everything else because you couldn't even TOUCH it.

I ponder this, too, but I know even making a small mistake could kill me, so it's not something I'm planning on doing.