Getting awesome vapor but little flavor

[NatureBoy]

The ratio I've come up with is producing amazing vapor. Much better than Tasty Vapor juices. However, I'm struggling to get enough flavor.

Right now, I'm testing with a 510 atomizer on a Chuck with an 18650 3000mah battery.

This is what I've come up with so far:

- 4ml PG
- 2ml VG
- 70 drops of Perfumer's Apprentice caramel flavor

Awesome vapor, thick clouds that linger, but very, very little caramel flavor. How much flavoring does it take to get a really tasty vapor? Also, any idea on PG/VG ratio? I'm not sure what the base of the flavoring is, so I'm not quite sure what the actual ratio is.

[garyd]

The ratio I've come up with is producing amazing vapor. Much better than Tasty Vapor juices. However, I'm struggling to get enough flavor.

Right now, I'm testing with a 510 atomizer on a Chuck with an 18650 3000mah battery.

This is what I've come up with so far:

- 4ml PG
- 2ml VG
- 70 drops of Perfumer's Apprentice caramel flavor

Awesome vapor, thick clouds that linger, but very, very little caramel flavor. How much flavoring does it take to get a really tasty vapor? Also, any idea on PG/VG ratio? I'm not sure what the base of the flavoring is, so I'm not quite sure what the actual ratio is.

I used 20% to get good flavor in a 70% VG 30% PG base, looks like you are over 50% flavoring with that recipe, so something is not right. I believe the flavor base is PG.

[Hoosier]

A non-referenced "drop" makes it tough.

At 30 d/ml you are at 28% flavor, but at 20 d/ml you are nearly 37%. If it is 40 d/ml then you are at a better range of 22.5%.

It is possible that you have too much flavor in it. As odd as it sounds too much flavor can result in no flavor.

If I didn't hit the wrong buttons on my TI-85, those are my figures for your mix.

[garyd]

A non-referenced "drop" makes it tough.

At 30 d/ml you are at 28% flavor, but at 20 d/ml you are nearly 37%. If it is 40 d/ml then you are at a better range of 22.5%.

It is possible that you have too much flavor in it. As odd as it sounds too much flavor can result in no flavor.

If I didn't hit the wrong buttons on my TI-85, those are my figures for your mix.

Thanks Hoosier, my math was off, I figured 30d/ml. don't know how I got 50%. I've heard that if you add too much flavor it will kill the flavor also. One of my first mixes was with flavourart black cherry, I tried vaping it as soon as I mixed it, couldn't taste anything and kept adding flavor to like 20%, stilll a weak taste. The next day I tried it again and the flavor was so strong it made my hair stand on end. Now I always give the mix at least 12 hours to homogenize before vaping and coming to any conclusions.

[Hoosier]

Thanks grayd! I'm planning on mixing with TPA's black cherry this weekend and your reference point is perfect. Was thinking 10% before, but thinking 14% now.

Although a black cherry that would make my hair stand on end does have a certain appeal...

[GoodDog]

Thanks grayd! I'm planning on mixing with TPA's black cherry this weekend and your reference point is perfect. Was thinking 10% before, but thinking 14% now.

Although a black cherry that would make my hair stand on end does have a certain appeal...

I'm going to do the TPA Black Cherry as well, maybe with Capella Double Chocolate and some TPA Bavarian Cream. What are your plans for it????

[ddy611]

why dont you guys use a pipet or graduated cylinder to measure the volume of liquid instead of counting drops. i have a science store right by my house, a pack of 25 pipet (3ml dropper) cost $2.75 and a 10ml graduated cylinder cost $3.25. also bought a flask beaker $5.50 for easy mixing. i remember using those things at school.

[AlexTM]

Well, would not work for me, as I work a lot with Flavourart, and that means, single-digit percentages. Which, in 5ml, are 0.05ml. Easy to measure with a decent syringe, but not with any affordable pipet.

Drops indeed are out of the question

[garyd]

Yes, I use a 3ML syringe with a blunt tip, it's the most accurate method I've found.

[GoodDog]

Well, would not work for me, as I work a lot with Flavourart, and that means, single-digit percentages. Which, in 5ml, are 0.05ml. Easy to measure with a decent syringe, but not with any affordable pipet.

Drops indeed are out of the question

Glad it's not just me! I couldn't get the pipettes to do anything close to accurate in small quantities. I have 1 syringe that's getting worn out but more on order.