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    That's why I don't use drops, unless I try mixing two finished liquids with very similar compositions and from exactly the same type of bottle. Because then I only need proportions in rather similar amounts: One part of that, three parts of this.

    When working with flavours, though, it depends a lot on what flavours you have, but I have some which need to be added in the 1:1000 range. (Obviously, I pre-mix those.) And food flavourings in very high doses can even be toxic. As can be salt and water, for that matter, so no reason to panic. Just a good reason to double-check! And you probably would get nothing worse than a date with the procelain bowl at worst, but I think we all would prefer to avoid that

    I've also noted that when you for example have a flavour that works good at 5%, and you add another percent to see if it gets better, which is not much, it can occasionally get too much and the flavour you taste can actually diminish. Beats me why, but happened a few times.

    Get yourself a couple of syringes, 1ml are good for flavours, and use mililiters to add your ingredients, it's so much easier in the end. And start low, and work your way up.

    I love to DIY, but it is something were being a bit nitpickish is not a bad trait

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    You shouldn't be getting that kind of reaction without nicotine. Those are symptoms of nicotine overdose, but if that's not possible then you need to stop vaping that liquid and isolate the variable, as you might have just eaten something bad, have low blood sugar, or be ill.

    PA's little droppers I haven't tested, but seem like they're take 30-40 drops to make an ml.

    From my guide: Also, concentrated flavors take time to diffuse throughout the liquid even after much shaking or stirring, so don't vape it immediately or you may be wondering where the flavor is.
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    I've had a similar reaction NatureBoy since working with the PA flavors. For me though, they are very strong and even a couple of drops is too much. The smells alone are making me nauseous because they're so strong. I've had a terrible headache since getting my order and it goes away when I go outside and get fresh air for awhile.

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    I forgot that as your lungs heal, your capacity will increase as will your ability to absorb oxygen. When you vape 0 nic liquid, it's likely you are taking very deep breathes, plus your brain is wondering where the nicotine is and making you breathe deeper. This results in a lot of oxygen at once, and since smokers never feel this, it can easily give you light-headedness etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NatureBoy View Post
    Well, these are the two products I purchased from QualiChem Technologies:

    Propylene Glycol USP
    Glycerin USP

    They should be of good quality, but I guess there's always the chance one of them is causing the strange reaction.

    Or maybe there was still some TV juice left over, since that's 12mg... maybe that's it. I'm gonna keep vaping my DIY juice and see if it happens again.
    I have a problem with ordering PG or VG from an industrial chemical plant, USP or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PureVapor View Post
    PA's little droppers I haven't tested, but seem like they're take 30-40 drops to make an ml.
    I got my order in for PA yesterday and the dropper they have provided is about 0.5 drop/drop
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    Quote Originally Posted by PureVapor View Post
    I forgot that as your lungs heal, your capacity will increase as will your ability to absorb oxygen. When you vape 0 nic liquid, it's likely you are taking very deep breathes, plus your brain is wondering where the nicotine is and making you breathe deeper. This results in a lot of oxygen at once, and since smokers never feel this, it can easily give you light-headedness etc.
    that as well...

    I see folks flopping all over the board, doing this and doing that haphazardly, and I must say this is giving me cause for great concern.

    I was on one forum where someone asked if it was OK to vape 0 nic while taking Champix. I was appalled at the ensuing recommendations. I said it wouldn't be advisable and was chastised for it. After much debate it was agreed upon that it was indeed safer to take baby steps.

    IMHO one must air on the side of caution and introduce only one variable at a time, so they can at least pin point what is affecting them. Especially in this forum. Mixing Champix, PG, VG, nicotine (different form), along with symptoms of nicotine withdrawa, not to mention the healing procesl is asking for trouble.

    Instead of having to have 25 post before being allowed to start a therad, I believe it would prove more prudent to limit who can actually participate in this section.

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    Problem is, people read what's in juice, and start thinking about DIY - often very very soon into their vaping career. And if they can't find advise, they just try. Very bad idea, but I've seen it a few times happen already in another, strictly anti-DIY forum.
    I'd rather have them read and ask here, at least.

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    Well to clear one thing up, I'm not a recovering smoker. I quit almost 2 years ago. I took up vaping as a healthier alternative to smoking because recently I've felt like smoking again.

    I've made some batches before and got much better flavor. I was using 1 dram bottles, 2ml PG, 0.5ml VG and 30 drops of flavor and it would taste pretty good.

    So that's what I was working with when I did the bigger batch.

    I continued vaping the juice last night to see if I still got the negative reaction, and it seemed to be less noticeable as I kept adding more of my own juice to it. So, it could very well have been left over TV juice in the atty that I was vaping mixed with my juice, and gave me the negative reaction since I was vaping quite a bit to taste the recipe.

    Still not sure why the flavor is so weak though. Anyway, I've got some Organic flavors coming in the mail I'm looking forward to trying out.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Switched View Post
    I have a problem with ordering PG or VG from an industrial chemical plant, USP or not.
    Did you click the links and read the info or just form an opinion based on the name of the company? Chemical companies make this stuff so I'm not sure what your suspicions are based on.


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